I left the RCC. You are in the RCC. Their history is now your problem. This is what you must defend.
You are right. It has become my problem when I returned to the catholic faith. And one I fight very hard against. Fortunately, the bishop I'm under is orthdox in belief and one of the first things he's done in this diocese is begin a education program educating lay catholics as to the actual faith of the church. I myself have participated in this and begun scripture reading classes in my own parish. I'm currently working on a mens prayer group with faith sharing. When I come accross those type of liberal catholics I tell them where they err. Some don't like it. Others agree. So I'm taking on the fight. And the cry of be a real catholic or leave has been raised (not by me). As can be seen with a cannon legal battle to have Georgetown University loose its ability to call itself Catholic. But certainly there are struggles all over with the liberal catholics.
This is what you are advocating
It is not what I advocate. The pope called them heretics.
I am against what they did, what they did believe, what they now believe, what their history was in the present past, and in the far past (Crusades and Inquisitions).
Canada had Crusades and Inquisitions? :laugh: Kidding I know what you mean.
I am glad you see the error of their ways. Why don't you see that same error today.
I'm busy converting liberal catholics to orthodoxy.
Do you know that there is a movement that is trying to make Mary a "fourth" member of the "trinity"?
And they are heretics and the Catholic Church will never teach that. Do you know some baptist hold up signs at military funerals saying these men died because homosexual are culturally accepted? Does it really matter what the fringe say or do?
They don't seem to know math very well do they? Of course Benny Hinn believes there are 9 members in "his" trinity, so the RCC can alter it too. They both have a lot of quackery. You are just proving my point
Nope. And they are both heretics.
I rarely talk to a Catholic apologist, that which you are referring to
Nope I'm refering to those catholics who 1) don't know their faith and 2) don't know scripture because to know the Catholic Faith is to know Scripture.
I talk to average Catholics. So what I say is true. Rarely do I ever encounter a Catholic that has any Biblical knowledge or if they do it is scant, very little.
That is the direct result of their liberal bishops who have made Canadian Catholics what they are. However, I'm certain there are Catholics even in Canada who are Orthodox. Why don't you speak with them. If I come across any I'll let you know.
You are so degrading of your northern neighbors.
Its easy to do that with Canada :laugh: Just kidding again. I use to date a Canadian Girl many years ago. I wonder if that counts for anything? No. I guess not. She wasn't Catholic though. She was baptist. Canada is getting out of Hand Morally much like the US. I blame the Liberal bishops who need more orthodox in their ranks. Quebec is now passing a law saying even saying something negative about homosexuality is a crime. This goes directly against Catholic Teaching but many liberal Canadian bishops over look whats happening and I wonder if they even put up a fight.
Is this a typical prejudicial attitude in everything you say about everything else as well. Is this why Canadians in the nations I go to are better received than the Americans?
I think its because of whats going on in the world stage. However, I am prejudice against liberal catholics who act as if their nonsense if the orthodox faith. And my main reason for that is exactly what you see where you live. Catholics who have no faith and can't be told apart from the secular world. This leads to beliefs that are heretical much like the Arians were in the 4 th century and were at one point the majority and out number the Catholics. You have to make a stand against that.
Remember that I am speaking of both eras. I speak of an era many years ago when I was a Catholic.
Things haven't changed that much with the canadian bishops which is why the Pope is currently working on puting in some Orthodox bishops there. Austria has the same issue.
But I also speak of this era and the experiences I have in speaking to many of the present day Catholics who are very ignorant of their own religion. You can't blame that on something that happened in Winnipeg in the 60's.
You actually can. Just like I can say protestantism is directly related to what happened 500 years ago in Germany and France.
Your lack of perception is not funny; it is sad. What do you think my goal is when I do go from door to door.
I think it to introduce them to Jesus so that you can get them "saved". I don't have a problem with that. In fact if what you do causes them to have real faith, I'd rather they leave the Catholic Church were they weren't listening anyway and go to a baptist church where they can have real faith even though they miss out on the benefits in being apart of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. At least that way they have some opportunity for salvation rather than being a pew sitter and (internally live and be a non converted catholic) be damned for eternity thought the truth had been taught to them.
It is to win them to Christ, to help them to know for sure that they can have eternal life in Christ, to show them from the Bible what it really means to be born again.
Good. Because if they don't know that by listening in mass they aren't listening.
Of course I will use evangelical terminology and stay as far away from Catholic terminology as possible. I will show them what the Bible says, not what the Catechism says.
That is also good since the scriptures are Catholic teachings as well. I mean if they say they never heard the bible read to them you know they never listened at mass as in every mass a passage from the OT, an epistle, and the Gospel are read.
It is too sad that they are Biblically illiterate, like I once was
I agree with you.
They need to know the truth, truth that the RCC doesn't teach.
They do need to know the truth and the RCC does teach it. They aren't listening. Or their leaders aren't educating them.
No, he didn't. But Mother Theresa did.
She said: If your a good Muslim then be a good Muslim; if you are a good Hindu then be a good Hindu, if you are a good Catholic then be a good Catholic, etc. In other words she said: "If you are on way to Hell, then go to Hell." I don't believe she was ever saved, and certainly never deserved a title of saint.
I would really like to know the full context of that statement. I won't believe it until I get the whole context of the statement. Because you are making your own implication about what she said and she may have meant something entirely different.
Chapter and verse please. Don't have a clue what you are talking about.
Wait, I thought you knew the bible. I'm talking about 1 Kings 6:23-28.
When Israel did commit idolatry, as in worshiping the golden calf, God killed them for it.
Yes because they made that their God.
It is possible. It is possible to call it gluttony as well.
At least we agree with this.
And there is worship involved at the stations of the cross. I have seen it; have been involved in it. I know what I am talking about.
Darn tooting there's worship at the stations of the cross. Because the worship is directed at Jesus. The stations are about Jesus.
a series of artistic representations, very often sculptural, depicting Christ Carrying the Cross to his crucifixion in the final hours (or Passion) of Jesus before he died, and the devotions using that series to commemorate the Passion, often moving physically around a set of stations
1.Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane,
2.Jesus is betrayed by Judas and arrested,
3.Jesus is condemned by the Sanhedrin,
4.Jesus is denied by Peter,
5.Jesus is judged by Pilate,
6.Jesus is scourged and crowned with thorns,
7.Jesus takes up His cross,
8.Jesus is helped by Simon to carry His cross,
9.Jesus meets the women of Jerusalem,
10.Jesus is crucified,
11.Jesus promises His kingdom to the repentant thief,
12.Jesus entrusts Mary and John to each other,
13.Jesus dies on the cross,
14.Jesus is laid in the tomb.
The Stations of the Cross is a form of prayer, discipline, and worship of Jesus Christ.
I don't believe the Pope has a personal relationship with Christ.
You don't really know that but he certainly expresses his relationship with Christ just like I don't know if you have a relationship with Jesus Christ but you certainly express it. It really doesn't matter what you believe about him but its clear what you believe about him is tempered by your bias
