All true believers are a slaves to God.
Again you are fighting for nonsense.
Romans 6:22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life.
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Is Baptism the New Circumcision?
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All true believers are a slaves to God.
Again you are fighting for nonsense.
Romans 6:22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life.
bible also states that even IF we deny him, he cannot dosown/deny us, as based upon His trustworthness, and not ours!
You are mistaken.
The bible says if we disown him, he will disown us.
2 Timothy 2
11 Here is a trustworthy saying:
If we died with him,
we will also live with him;
12 if we endure,
we will also reign with him.
If we disown him,
he will also disown us;
Yeshua1,
So far, in this short discussion with you and me, I have corrected you twice. Do you want to thank me for helping you in the Lord?
Do you not think it would be the Christian thing to do as stated in the Bible? You sure like to attack me and try to humiliate me, why not show some kindness after teaching you something.
So far, in this short discussion with you and me, I have corrected you twice. Do you want to thank me for helping you in the Lord?
Do you not think it would be the Christian thing to do as stated in the Bible? You sure like to attack me and try to humiliate me, why not show some kindness after teaching you something.
the Lord saves us, in order to have us glorify His name, and to walk in a loving relationship with him as our father, jesus as our high priest , and the Spirit in us!
we obey god motivated by love for him/gratitude, not a "have to do it or else' spirit!
Faith is a work.
Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent." John 6:29.
Jesus says his works are light and easy.
Romans 4:1-5 is about not being saved by the work of circumcision, and the works of the law, like finding an animal and taking it to be sacrificed. Those are things people did, but we do not have to do those works anymore, because Jesus did it for us once and for all.
We are also to obey God. Apostle Paul and Apostle James explain that by faith Abraham did actions that were the result of obeying God.
Apostle Peter says people misunderstand Apostle Paul to their destruction.
Peter is talking about how people misunderstand Paul what he says about no works.
Just read the scriptures just before Peter says that.
2 Peter 3:14 So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him.
Now read the scriptures just after Peter saying people misunderstand Paul to their destruction.
2 Peter 3:17 Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position.
Peter speaks of obeying before and after the scripture where he says people misunderstand Paul to their destruction.
Do not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position.
Do not teach any longer that we do not have to obey to be saved or to stay saved.
You keep fighting for nonsense.
Peter disowned Jesus, the rest ran away.
Jesus reinstated Peter.
Do you think you can nullify God's Word?
Blessed is the man who does not fall away on account of Jesus.
Do you think not acknowledging Jesus in front of men is the same thing that Peter went through? You are wrong to try to compare the two.
Of course, Calvinists will go against what I say, that does not make what I say false. lol
Calvinists DO add to God's word.
There is no scripture that says all men are totally depraved.
There is no scripture that says we cannot believe in Jesus after learning of him. In fact, that is what the Bible says how we get faith!
Calvinists nullify God's word.
You do err not knowing the Scriptures neither the power of God.
Jesus was making a play on words.
The people asked him: "What must we do, to do the work of God.
Jesus answered: This is the Word of God: to believe on him who has sent me.
IOW, There are no works that they could do to merit eternal life. The only thing that they could do is to believe. It is not a work, but it is faith. All other "works" fail. Faith alone saves. It was a play on words. They could not work their way to heaven, which is what Jesus was teaching.
Nowhere is that passage speaking of circumcision. Talking about adding to the Word of God; that is just what you just did.
It teaches, first of all, that Abraham was justified by faith, and faith alone. He was not justified by works. If he was justified by works, he could not glory before God, but only before men, therefore his justification would be meaningless.
How is a man justified or made righteous?
Not of works, or good deeds, for that is a debt (what an employer would give as a wage). It is owed. But rather it is by grace--a gift.
To him that does no work, that man is justified. He does no good works at all but only believes, that is the man that is justified. There is no mention of the works of the law. It is not speaking of the law; it is speaking of good works in general. Good works don't save. Obedience doesn't save. Only faith saves and that is what this passage teaches--faith alone.
You don't understand what James is teaching; he is speaking to Christians, that works are the natural outgrowth of a Christian's faith, and that is all.
Moriah did it ever occur to you, that that entire passage is directed to you.
Salvation is by faith alone in Christ alone through grace alone.
That is the gospel message.
Without belief in that message one cannot be saved.
Just look at the scriptures before Romans 4:1-5.
Romans 3:31 talks about the law, Romans 3:25 explains how Jesus is the sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. This is about the law of works, the works that one used to have to do just to worship God, when they had to get an animal and sacrifice its blood.
Then read on after Romans 4:1-5, read to scripture 9. Scripture nine speaks of circumcision!
If you do not have sufficient spiritual discernment to clearly see that "works" involve both the actions of the heart and body by Christ's own interpretation of "thou shalt not committ adultery" in Matthew 5 then you cannot discern any truth of scripture.
If you cannot see that there are only two possible types of works issuing fromt the heart "good" versus "evil" just as Jesus says a 'good" tree brings forth "good" fruit and and "evil" tree brings forth "evil fruit" then you cannot discern anything that is spiritually.
If you cannot see that it is HEART OBEDIENCE to the Ten commandments to NOT swear, kill, lie, steal, lust, covet, ect., then you cannot discern anything that is spirtual.
If you cannot see that OBEDIENCE to the ten commandments is only POSSIBLE by NOT violating them which is the same thing as LOVE and thus "GOOD WORKS" you do not have the ability to discern anything that is spiritual. - Period!
As I have said before many times, the works of the Law that we do not have to do anymore is the animal sacrifices, etc.
We always have to obey God.
Of course, we are not to murder, etc.
We are to surpass the righteousness of the Pharisees. We surpass the righteousness of the Pharisees when we are not even angry with our brother.
If you sin, let us say you steal, but you do not kill anyone, is that a good work you will tell God that you did? Are you going to tell God to look at your life and all the people you did not kill?
If you obey Jesus, Jesus will live in your heart.
If Jesus lives in your heart, you have love in your heart.
That is simply not true! Both Jesus and Paul quote the ten commandments and apply them to Christians and they are still negative "not"!
So how do you obey the "not" in the ten commandments? Do you obey it by DOING it or by NOT doing it? Is that obedience a "Good" or "evil" deed? How will judgement day view it? As a "good" or "evil" work?
Is that obedience or disobedience to God? Is obedience a "good" or "bad" work? Is disobedience a "good" or "bad" work?
Is that obedience or disobedience to God? Is obedience a "good" or "bad" work? Is disobedience a "good" or "bad" work?
If you stole is that a "bad" work? If you killed is that a "bad" work? If you did not steal did you OBEY the command "Thou shalt not steal"? If you did not steal when you had opportunity to steal is that obedience to God's commandment? Is that obedience to God's commandment a "good" or a "bad" work?
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1 Timothy 1:9-10 We also know that law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers,for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers--and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine
So you don't keep the law. You are free from the law. Thus is okay, according to your theology, to go out and murder and commit adultery because you are free from the law. I really don't want your kind of Christianity.