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  1. Moriah

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    The scripture plainly and clearly says Jesus made the two one.
     
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    Jesus didn't fulfill all of them yet.

    Deut. 32:41-43 has not been fulfilled yet, it speaks of Christ's second Advent [Rev 19].
     
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    Jesus made the Gentiles and Jews that are a Part of His Church one new man?
    Yes, that is what it is saying and that's what I've been saying.
     
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    According to Ezek. 40-48 and Malachi 3:3-4, yes.
     
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  5. Moriah

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    No, that is NOT what you have been saying.

    You said Jesus was the new man.
     
    #65 Moriah, Aug 17, 2012
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    ...Which "new man" we are...[Eph. 5:30]...
     
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  7. Moriah

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    Are you kidding? You think that God would approve of animal sacrifices, when Jesus is the sacrificial Lamb of God who paid for sins once and for all!
    For you to think that Jesus is coming again to do everything all over again is beyond absurd.
     
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    I hold to progressive Dispy theolgy as regarding thias issue...

    Would you see that Jews right now can ONLY be saved same way as gentiles, but reeceiving jesus as their saviour/Lord?

    Saved by grace of the Lord only?

    But when the Church is taken out of the way, than God turns to dealing with the jews at that time regarding preparing the last generation for jesus returning?
     
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    Jews can only be saved right now the same way as Gentiles.
    Gal. 3:28-29.

    Saved by grace and not according to our works [2 Tim. 1:9].

    If you put "Jewish and Gentile generation" instead of "last generation" I would agree ;).
     
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  10. Moriah

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    Jope,

    Is that what you teach, that God is giving Jews an earthly land, so that they can build another temple, so that they can sacrifice the blood of animals?

    That is nonsense. Why do you think that God would want them to do that?
     
    #70 Moriah, Aug 17, 2012
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    Deuteronomy 30:8 says that in the Millennium, they will return and obey the voice of the LORD, and do all his commandments which He commanded them that day.

    Malachi 3:3-4 says that Christ shall "...sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness. Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto the LORD, as in the days of old, and as in former years."

    I just choose to believe that God isn't a liar [Numbers 23:19, Matt. 5:17-18], that's all.
     
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    So, you are saying that God wants the people to make animal sacrifices to atone for their sins?

    And then what?
     
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    We [Christ's Body - Eph. 5:30] will be raptured [1 Thess. 4:14-17].
     
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    This "And then what?" is a vague question.
     
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    You say God wants the Jews to build a temple and offer animal sacrifices.
    Then what? What next? Are they going to continue to live like that, and is it right with God?
     
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    Well... Matt. 5:18 tells us that Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled, and so, in the New Heaven and New Earth [Rev. 21:1], will the law be fulfilled and therefore it won't have to be observed anymore?

    That's the question I currently have actually.

    :p

    God has the answer though ! [1 Chron. 28:9, Mt. 7:7-8]
     
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    Till the law will be fulfilled?

    Jesus fulfilled the Law and the Prophets. Everything in the Old Testament was about Jesus.

    Why is it that you are going backwards to the times before Jesus?

    Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. John 14:6
     
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    What do you mean, "God has the answer though" and then you list 1 Chronicles 28:9 and Matthew 7:7-8?

    1 Chronicles 28:9 "And you, my son Solomon, acknowledge the God of your father, and serve him with wholehearted devotion and with a willing mind, for the LORD searches every heart and understands every motive behind the thoughts. If you seek him, he will be found by you; but if you forsake him, he will reject you forever.

    Matthew 7:7-8 "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened.
     
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    Deut. 32:41-43 hasn't been fulfilled.
    Neither has Deut. 30:1-8.
     
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    God sent the Messiah that is how their hearts are circumcised, when they have faith in Jesus.

    God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. If the Jews reject Jesus, that is disobedience. The world's sin is unbelief in Jesus, see John 16:9.

    You talk about earthly Israel, but God is about what is Spiritual.

    We are taught what is Spiritual in the New Testament.

    Why do you think that God would want a temple built now, when our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit?

    Why do you think that God would want animal sacrifices after Jesus suffered and died for our sins?

    Why do you think that the Jews do not have to accept the word of God now to be saved?
     
    #80 Moriah, Aug 17, 2012
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