Featured free will vs. election???????

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Then you don't believe Jesus ACTUALLY paid for anything.

If you pay the judge for a man's fine for the crime he committed, whether the criminal "accepts" it or not, he CANNOT go to jail for the crime that has been paid for. Plain and simple. Either justice is TRULY satisfied or it is not.

So the question is did Jesus TRULY satisfy the justice of God for EVERY sinner?

If he ACTUALLY paid the fine- then that's it. It is done. The man cannot go to hell for sins that have paid for.

 

through 1 man(Christ) ALL SHALL BE MADE RIGHTEOUS. Romans 5-19

 

Then you are not actually PAYING the fine. Do you see?

You are not paying the fine. You are saying that Jesus ACTUALLY paid the fine.

 

Well, at least God was first. I fear too many Calvinist would be more fearful of offending Calvin.

 

Because it was God's plan.
1 Cor 1:21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.

According to God, yes. We are all totally depraved until God cleans us up.

 

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Will anybody other than satan and his angels spend eternity in the lake of fire?

 

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Could Revelation 20:15 be any clearer?

 

HW keeps saying what I consider to universalism, and that no one will die lost, imo. He's advocating the ME doctrine, and that christians will suffer in hell, even if for 1,000 years. Now, I am "amill" to the core, so the MK doctrine is something I don't agree with, whatsoever. But to say that some christians will suffer torment in hell, is unfathomable.

IOW, I was directing that question towards him. Sorry about the cornfusion.

 

^^This could be akin to the "serpent seed doctrine" that states that Eve and Lucifer had intercourse and then Adam and Eve. Abel was the son of Adam and Cain was the son of Lucifer. Those who fell in Adam, and subsequently, Abel, Christ atoned for, and those who were after the lineage of Cain, are the non-elect, period. He is quite hard to peg. Is he an ME'er, or is he a "serpent seeder", or a hybrid of both?

And these are just three posts of his that he has been throwing around here.

 

all I have given that you post is plain scripture that plainly states what I posted--because you reject God's word--you try and come up with utter foolishness that I never posted or do not even believe.

here again you are as the scribes of Christ day that would try and trap him in words or deeds,and try and prove that what he was saying was against the law of moses and against God,but you do nothing but spit out utter foolishness of things I never say--because you are so confused inside,you know nothing else to do but just that--Bless you brother :tear::tear:

 

didn't mean that in a rude way amy--but you never answered the questions I did ask before leaving the conversation is all--Bless you :love2::love2:

 

I believe that people will die being unbelievers

 

You don't get it.

Stop with the silly exclamations points and listen, ok?

You are saying that Jesus PAID for the sins of the world, right?

Yes.

Who did he pay for our sins?

Yes, yes, I know WHAT he paid for our sins- obviously. WHO, WHO did he pay?

Did he ACTUALLY pay for our sins?

You say he DID actually pay for our sins.

Then in the illustration about the judge being paid the fine, you keep saying, "But if we don't accept it..."

If we can REFUSE... listen carefully here... if we can REFUSE the payment, then the payment... don't miss this part... IS NOT ACTUALLY PAID.

So, then you do not REALLY believe that Jesus ACTUALLY paid for everybody's sins.

Can you not see that??

 

No, I see your posts as "guises" so that you won't out and out say you're a ME'er. I don't, nor have I ever, rejected God's Word. I reject YOUR misapplication of how to handle them.

Again, with a "yes or "no", are you a ME'er? This isn't a hard question, so it should be easy for you to answer.