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Oh heck.... double post!

 

I will add that we see a similar a priori presupposition in the case of atheistic naturalists concerning creation -- it just cannot be, for there is no First Cause that supernaturally spoke the cosmos into being by fiat, ex nihilo. Here, their presupposition is that God ALWAYS gives humans the final word in their own fate -- and in a sense He does, for left to our own devices, we will ALWAYS choose to spend eternity in hell! It is into that presupposition that God breaks, giving us (John 3:16-20) LIFE and more so, graciously and mercifully, ABUNDANT life!

 

We just do what it says to and know God will accomplish His sovereign will. Why question God. This sovereign God does not want the death of no one but rather them to repent and live. You either go with the sovereign will of God or reason it out with your human logic.

 

Garbage in, garbage out.

 

ROFL..... and who better than you to address that! :laugh:

 

I dont question God....but my concern to you is more appropriately, Why Limit God? I believe in a 'Full Sovereign Grace'.....that does not leave any room at all for human merit in salvation. And that is where we differ.

 

Mark 16:15-16 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. Hard to argue with scripture.

 

The sovereign grace of God is to know you are saved and the only evidence is you repent you believe trust in God. If I believe and trust in Jesus and I am not saved then God is not sovereign. If those who do not repent and believe in Jesus is not condemned then God is not sovereign. If anything does not happen the way Gods said it will then God is not sovereign. When someone is sovereign then you can believe what they say if not then you are not following God.


Our Sovereign Lord said He doesn't want anyone to die but rather them to repent and live. So your definition of Sovereignty of God is wrong. We are a free agency so you either follow the will of God and repent and live or follow your own will and not repent and die. Your fear of univeralism is miss placed

 

Who are you talking to?

 

And who are you talking to?

 

I'm talking to the BB board. When Christ said he that believeth not is damned, that's pretty strong. Believeth what ? answer: the gospel. The gospel of what ? Christ dying for sinners, not for the whole world but for sinners. Is everyone a sinner ? not by their definition. Are you a sinner ? Has the Holy Ghost made you to know you are a sinner ?Christ said, I came not to call the righteous but sinners to repentance. Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with the holy Spirit of promise.

 

So tell me....what is the disposition of my dead infant son (who never heard the gospel preached)?

 

Saved, Saved , Saved. You cannot put God in a box. Just because God chose the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe doesn't mean he has to rely on preaching.

 

...............and there it is, the very reason why nothing gets resolved in these "discussions." One takes Mark 16:15-16 and Ephesians 1:13, tosses them into a blender, and expects everything to come out A-OK. If we'd just get 2 Timothy 2:15 straight there would be no more 2:16.

 

Romans 9 thru 11 is the "Jewish Interlude," Paul's weeping lament for his brethren, the Jews. He shook the dust off his feet in Acts 13:51, but he cannot forget those chosen by God in Genesis 12. He longs to convince them that there is a new and better way: Grace. No longer 1,000 commandments, 613 rules & regulations, oral traditions promoted by scribes and pharisees ... just Grace. So he pauses in his writing to record his grief. Within his writings is the key to eternal salvation for Jew and Gentile alike. Grace. He speaks to us, to everyone today, explaining then what Israel needed to do.

Romans 10:1-4 ~ Brethren, my heart’s desire and my prayer to God for them (Israel) is for their salvation. For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge. For not knowing about God’s righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

Believes what?

(DET)

8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your innermost being” — that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe deeply within you that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved; for with one's innermost being one believes, resulting in righteousness (the Righteousness of God in Christ Jesus), and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation. For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes in Him shall not be disappointed.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek (Gentile; non-Jew); for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; for “Whoever calls on the Name of the Lord shall be saved.”

It doesn't get any clearer than that. The Jews no longer needed to follow the Law ... they needed to confess salvation by grace through faith, receiving the GIFT of God, eternal life, just as we do today. The Kingdom of God on earth was "not yet." The Grace of God was "here now," according to Paul, and it is here, now.

Ephesians 1:13 ~ In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation -- having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise. Ephesians 2:8-9 ~ For you have been delivered by grace through faith (trusting, belief) not something you did, but God’s gift. You were not delivered by your own actions (or choices or behaviors or deeds), lest you find cause to boast.

Hallelujah!

 

Amen. It is all God's Grace. :applause:

 

"What is the above to you? Is it a formula that you followed, an incantation that you repeated one time only in order to acquire immortality?

Or is it a way of life, to be lived daily (as in take up your cross daily), as opposed to a one time only event?

If you take 'saved' in Ro 10 to mean 'the acquisition of eternal life' or 'saved from hell', build your case from scripture. Show 'saved' to be in reference to the eternal realm."

 

Please gi e me scripture to support that.

 

Larry, I like where you are going with this...please proceeded!

 

The info I provided carefully presented to you the Truth of God's Word. It did, indeed, build from scripture. I'm surprised that you didn't understand, being here on the Baptistboard. I'll give you another accurate insight:

It is no formula, no incantation, and "I" do not "acquire" immortality. The Holy Spirit moves among us, calling us to believe and to confess what he reveals to us by faith. Even the faith to do that comes from Him. Example: Someone in these forums (despite all the negativity) quietly, peacefully recognizes that he or she is being called upon (early Baptists called it "woo'ed") by the Holy Spirit. The inner nature is aroused to His call. Responding to His call is embodied in the Grace of God, not any effort or acquisition on my part. It is all of Him, none of me. He enables me to respond. Once I am enabled, He comes in, filling me to the brim with the Holy Spirit of God. I am from that moment a new creation.

The "way of life," the "taking up of the Cross," follows. I now have a Spiritual Nature, opposed to my old sinful nature, that grows in knowledge, wisdom and strength because the Holy Spirit is my Teacher. As I study God's Word, he does the revealing of its Truth. As I listen to pastors and teachers, the Holy Spirit confirms what they are saying / teaching, or He doesn't. I don't rely upon intellect, psychology, philosophy, sociology, or any other secular endeavor to explain God. In short, I get out of the way as He molds me and makes me after His will. With the Holy Spirit as my tutor, as my guide, I walk in the footsteps of the One who saved me, not by my might, not by my power, not by my reasonings, judgments and interpretations, but because He leads me. Where does He lead me? In paths of Righteousness. I am become the Righteousness of God in Him, not because of me, but because of Him.

One can ask "why" forever. In so doing one throws up roadblocks to the efforts of the Holy Spirit to communicate, to enlighten, to interpret and apply the Truth, never by "logic," but because He IS God, He loves us, and His desire is for those of us who are led by Jesus to listen, listen, listen to what the Spirit is telling us. Therein is peace.

It's in THE Book! THE Book is open and revealed to us ONLY through the ministry of the Holy Spirit. "Not by might, not by power, but by My Spirit, says the Lord."

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