Saved from what ?

[genesis12]

Good Grief..........

Romans 10:8-13.

Hello?

 

[Thomas Helwys]

Actually Pinoy is perfectly capable of answering PhonyDoc on his own, IF he even wants to waste his time to do so.

From casual observance, it is a waste of time, we ALL already have our minds made up on just about everything.

We carry on these endless dialogs to break the monotony in our lives? Or something along those lines. It's definitely not to save poor souls from hell.

Everybody thinks they're defending the truth.

Go figure.

You are absolutely right.

I wonder why we keep doing this. For me, it's because I have no social life.

 

[psalms109:31]

Romans 10:8-13.

Wonder why Paul would be pointing us here, us Gentiles,

Deuteronomy 30:
The Offer of Life or Death

11 Now what I am commanding you today is not too difficult for you or beyond your reach. 12 It is not up in heaven, so that you have to ask, “Who will ascend into heaven to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?” 13 Nor is it beyond the sea, so that you have to ask, “Who will cross the sea to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?” 14 No, the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart so you may obey it.

15 See, I set before you today life and prosperity, death and destruction. 16 For I command you today to love the Lord your God, to walk in obedience to him, and to keep his commands, decrees and laws; then you will live and increase, and the Lord your God will bless you in the land you are entering to possess.

17 But if your heart turns away and you are not obedient, and if you are drawn away to bow down to other gods and worship them, 18 I declare to you this day that you will certainly be destroyed. You will not live long in the land you are crossing the Jordan to enter and possess.

19 This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live 20 and that you may love the Lord your God, listen to his voice, and hold fast to him. For the Lord is your life, and he will give you many years in the land he swore to give to your fathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

 

[Robert Snow]

Amazing the block that the church of Rome has created on the minds of her children, even among those who say they are adherents of the Doctrine of Grace.
Again, I reiterate, ETERNAL SALVATION IS PASSIVE.
It was purposed by God for His elect and He alone, in the Persons of the Father, the Son, and the Spirit, secured it, NO THANKS TO ANYONE.

I DARE ANYONE RIGHT NOW, TO PUT IN PRINT, THAT HIS ETERNAL SALVATION WAS A COOPERATIVE ACT BETWEEN HIM AND GOD.
HIS FAITH, AND GOD'S WILL.
SAY IT IN PRINT !!!
And after that, sing of God's grace and talk of God's mercy.

If you are asking whether or not I could have refused God's gracious offer of salvation, yes I could have, but thank GOD I didn't.

BTW, thank you for your long explanation of your Primitive Baptist belief. I don't agree with most of it, but it does explain a lot. In fact I have copied it so I will be able to understand the PB position better.

 

[Robert Snow]

A Calvinist, Old School Sovereign Baptist or anyone who is by in large Monergistic has to conclude that the Non-Calvinist priori presupposition does not include a totally sovereign God.

Not only insulting, but wrong. Not unexpected, but wrong none the less.

If we evaluate it that way then there will be understanding but nowhere will there be commitment from us to your POV. Thats why I believe there needs to be separation between the two belief systems & why I am against SBC initiatives. Its a bad marriage & one that eventually will end in divorce.

On this I agree. I would never join a Primitive Baptist church like the one Pinoybaptist described.

Unlike you, I don't doubt his salvation, but his understanding of his salvation. I think this is common with the PM church and one reason they are few and far between.

 

[Robert Snow]

Q,what percentage of your nearly 5,000 posts has merely been the usage of the thumbs up sign? I'd reckon almost a third. What say you?

It seems like everything bothers you.

I don't think agreeing with someone is against the rules, is it?

 

[convicted1]

The gospel of Christ is not the gospel of the Arminians but when the true gospel is preached God can bless it with his Spirit to become the effectual call to a individual and the proof of his election is faith and repentance toward God or if at this time God does not anoint the gospel with the Spirit it becomes a general call to the individual but he is still held by God responsible.

You ought to be completely ashamed of yourself for making such a statement as this. No wonder there remains a "continental divide" betwixt the two factions of believers.

 

[convicted1]

My conclusion you can't live on a piece of the truth you are willing to accept and reason your way into it.

The wages of my sin is death not faith not trust. That is the wages of my sin nothing but death will pay it. So I am saved by grace if not I still owe that debt.

That is what faith taught me. So I am saved by grace through faith. I did not get this from myself but through Him and His word. I trust in God through Jesus Christ that He paid a debt that I could not. If I paid it myself I would not be saved. So trusting in God is not a work I am secure in Christ Jesus.

Another wonderful post of yours that just got passed by again!! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

I wanted to let others see this in case they missed it the first time.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

You ought to be completely ashamed of yourself for making such a statement as this. No wonder there remains a "continental divide" betwixt the two factions of believers.

You go to your church and I will go to mine...there can be no unity...deal with it brother.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Not only insulting, but wrong. Not unexpected, but wrong none the less.



On this I agree. I would never join a Primitive Baptist church like the one Pinoybaptist described.

Unlike you, I don't doubt his salvation, but his understanding of his salvation. I think this is common with the PM church and one reason they are few and far between.

Are you suggesting I doubt Penoys salvation:laugh:

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

The gospel of Christ is not the gospel of the Arminians

Yes... I can only come to one conclusion -- they are yet in rebellion against holy God.

 

[Thomas Helwys]

Yes... I can only come to one conclusion -- they are yet in rebellion against holy God.

Hmmm....and I would have said the same thing about Calvinists.

 

[Thomas Helwys]

This discussion is really pointless, isn't it?

 

[kyredneck]

Romans 10:8-13.

Hello?

Good grief. HELLO?! HELLO?!

8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach:
9 because if thou shalt confess with thy mouth Jesus as Lord, and shalt believe in thy heart that God raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved:
10 for with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be put to shame.
12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek: for the same Lord is Lord of all, and is rich unto all that call upon him:
13 for, Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved Ro 10

What is the above to you? Is it a formula that you followed, an incantation that you repeated one time only in order to acquire immortality?

Or is it a way of life, to be lived daily (as in take up your cross daily), as opposed to a one time only event?

If you take 'saved' in Ro 10 to mean 'the acquisition of eternal life' or 'saved from hell', build your case from scripture. Show 'saved' to be in reference to the eternal realm.

 

[Thomas Helwys]

Good grief, HELLO?! HELLO?!

8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach:
9 because if thou shalt confess with thy mouth Jesus as Lord, and shalt believe in thy heart that God raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved:
10 for with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be put to shame.
12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek: for the same Lord is Lord of all, and is rich unto all that call upon him:
13 for, Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved Ro 10

What is the above to you? Is it a formula that you followed, an incantation that you repeated one time only in order to acquire immortality?

Or is it a way of life, to be lived daily (take up your cross daily), as opposed to a one time only event?

If you take 'saved' in Ro 10 to mean 'the acquisition of eternal life' or 'saved from hell', build your case from scripture. Show 'saved' to be in reference to the eternal realm.

It's funny and strange how often I agree with you, considering that our views are opposites.

 

[kyredneck]

I doubt neither one of us is totally wrong.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Hmmm....and I would have said the same thing about Calvinists.

However Calvinists (indeed all DoG Believers) dont claim that their salvation is accomplished through the combined efforts of God who takes the initiative & Man, who must respond.....mans response being the determining factor. The result is a theology that is not exclusively God Centered......its distorted in the direction of the self.

 

[salzer mtn]

You ought to be completely ashamed of yourself for making such a statement as this. No wonder there remains a "continental divide" betwixt the two factions of believers.

Many cals and sovereign grace preachers explain this scripture like this. This is the part you left out, if your going to put a half quote up and then bash me, you should be ashamed.

 

[psalms109:31]

The word of God is the determining factor which is the will of God not our will. You are either doing your own will that leads to death or His will that leads to life. God is driving you either jump on board or you don't. Do not lean on your own understanding trust in the Lord and He will direct your path.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

The word of God is the determining factor which is the will of God not our will. You are either doing your own will that leads to death or His will that leads to life. God is driving you either jump on board or you don't. Do not lean on your own understanding trust in the Lord and He will direct your path.

Your right...it leads to death. Then why insist you have a hand in your own salvation?