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Saved from what ?
- Thread starter pinoybaptist
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I was unable to ascertain:
'if thou shalt confess with thy mouth Jesus as Lord, and shalt believe in thy heart that God raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved'
Is this a 'one time only' event?
Is all that is necessary is for one to hear the gospel one time only, believe one time only, confess Christ as Lord one time only to be 'saved'?
convicted1
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I agree with what you typed here. I think that passage is talking about that after you're saved, if you can't/won't tell people what God has done for you, then He won't confess you to His Father and the holy angels. It says unto not into salvation.
Hello EW&F, very sorry for your loss.
Would it be in error to say that scripture teaches an accountability for man based on the revelation of God to man, or, in other words, that man will be judged according to his understanding and reaction to God revealing Himself to man. We read that God has revealed Himself to man in a number of ways, and for those that have not heard the Gospel will they be any less accountable for God's revelation through nature?
And for your son, who did not have the chance to grow up and acknowledge that revelation, would he be held accountable? I don't believe so. He will fall under the provision of mercy which I believe He will accord those that cannot be held accountable, another example being those mentally incapacitated, such as my brother, who as a child suffered a head injury that left him for the rest of his life in a category which I believe falls under God's grace. He too passed away, at the age of 27, and I have no doubt that he is with the Lord.
Okay, saw your post and just wanted to comment, hope it is appropriate.
God bless.
salzer mtn
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How much time does it take God to save a person ? How can a person not know when God saves them ? I think the reason one group cannot communicate with another group is because of different words one group uses that another group don't use. I know of one Sovereign grace preacher like you, say's were saved continually and he will not accept any ones testimony that put's a time and place, when and where
it happened. He will not even use the word saved but refers to the saved as, in Christ. I think he is half PB and half Cal, he like the PB proclaims that ones salvation it totally in the past in Christ but if you are one of the elect God will, only by the gospel preached make you aware your salvation has already took place in Christ. The way I believe salvation is when God elected me before the foundation of the world, I were saved as Far as the Father was concerned. When God gave me to the Son and he died for me, I was saved by the blood of Christ. When the Holy Spirit came into my soul, took out the stony heart and put in a heart of flesh, and gave me a new nature, that was the day of my salvation.
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1. Yes, Romans 10:8-13 is a one-time event. It is not done casually .... one does not stumble on those words while thumbing through the Bible. You can't just say the words, decide "I'm saved," and go on about your day. The Holy Spirit has already provided the conviction to utter those words; the conviction has been internalized. The one convicted comes to the realization that he or she is lost, separated from God, needing to be found. The Holy Spirit is the One who points out that need. A convicted, authentic response is all that is necessary. No guesswork, no qualifiers........... one who confesses Romans 10:8-13 is found. That is true for everyone on the face of the earth and will remain true until the Body of Christ is lifted out of this quagmire on earth.
One does not "hear the gospel one time only" as a rule. Normally, one is prompted by the Holy Spirit to be in a position to hear the gospel. One hears it, asks about it, reads about it in scripture, perhaps goes to church with or without family or friends, and eventually comes under conviction. Obviously, the confession of Romans 10:8-13 in faith believing is a one-time expression of belief-faith-trust placed in God, without conditions on the part of the confessor, and no further conditions on the part of God. Since those who are not Christian are found in 1 Corinthians 2:14, they MUST have the leading of the Holy Spirit. There are no mind games here.
What a Mighty (and Gracious) God we serve, in the unlimited energy of the Holy Spirit, in the Name above all names, Jesus.
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How can a person not know when God saves them ? The Romans 10:8-13 prayer.
I think the reason one group cannot communicate with another group is because of different words one group uses that another group don't use. Decidedly true in many cases..
Salvation is a one-time event that occurs when one calls upon God through Romans 10:8-13. Election simply means that before the beginning of space and time God chose to save those who believe. Faith comes by hearing, hearing by the Word of God. Hearing the Word of God, studying the Word of God, is the channel through which the Holy Spirit calls one into Holiness.
I confess audibly the Lord Jesus, believe in my innermost being that God called Him out of the dead, and I am saved, and that for eternity. NOTHING can change the fact that I belong to Him forever.
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He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that disbelieveth shall be condemned. Mk 16:16
No mention of repeating anything audibly, but here we have baptism thrown into the mix. Are you sure Ro 10:8-13 is enough to get the job done? Or is there more we must do to be saved?
Take heed to thyself, and to thy teaching. Continue in these things; for in doing this thou shalt save both thyself and them that hear thee. 1 Tim 4:16
When do you think that Timothy, and those hearing him (Church members?), finally got saved?
No mention of repeating anything audibly, but here we have baptism thrown into the mix. Are you sure Ro 10:8-13 is enough to get the job done? Or is there more we must do to be saved?
Take heed to thyself, and to thy teaching. Continue in these things; for in doing this thou shalt save both thyself and them that hear thee. 1 Tim 4:16
When do you think that Timothy, and those hearing him (Church members?), finally got saved?
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This is incorrect on multiple levels.
First, God's elect have always been His through predestination. There has never been a time when they were not predestined (Mat. 25:34; Eph. 1:4). The culmination of their election takes place in time through regeneration and justification. To say that it takes seconds to accomplish is to put salvation in a test tube. If we can even use time as a measurement in justification, it is so quick that is imperceptible.
Salvation is not a one time event. Justification is a one time event (Rom. 5:1); salvation is ongoing and continual (1 Cor. 1:18; Phil. 1:6).
Try as you might there is no possible way to deduce from Ephesians 1:3-4 that "Election simply means that before the beginning of space and time God chose to save those who believe". Election means that God chose beforehand without qualification.
preacher4truth
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I agree with your assessment in every point but couple that with genesis12 that what he is saying is that for him to recognize his salvation took seconds. I realize his premise to be a raw understanding, but I still get what he is saying.
genesis12 may not understand at this time all the above implications, nor do I believe his understanding to be exhaustive as this was not his point, nor was this his objective from what I've seen.
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Matthew was written to Jews, not Christians. Salvation by grace through faith was not yet in view. Jesus came as the promised Jewish Messiah to save that which was lost, Israel. Mark was written to Romans in Rome. He explains Matthew to non-Jews, but does not apply it to Gentiles. It is the same with Luke, written to Greeks and Hellenistic Jews. Explanation, not application, in Mark and Luke. Those Jews who accepted Jesus as Messiah and were ritually bathed were restored to the Covenants. Those who did not were condemned. Water baptism was required under Judaism; it is not required for Christians, who are baptized in and by the Holy Spirit at the precise split-second of expressing belief in Jesus as Savior by grace through faith.
What does Paul cause to be written in 1 Timothy 4:6-10? "You’ve been raised on the Good News of the Faith and have followed sound teaching. Now pass on this counsel to the followers of Jesus there, and you’ll be a good servant of Him." (DET).
Now 15:16: "The people will all see you mature right before their eyes! Keep a firm grasp on both your status and your teaching. Don’t be diverted. Just keep at it. Both you and those who hear you will experience salvation." (DET).
Obviously Timothy is already in the faith and he is preaching to & teaching Christians. For them to "experience salvation" is NOT conditional! It is present tense, and therefore is obviously a promise.
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Thank you....I appreciate the sentiment.
This was my post 137 earlier in the thread.
However Calvinists (indeed all DoG Believers) dont claim that their salvation is accomplished through the combined efforts of God who takes the initiative & Man, who must respond.....mans response being the determining factor. The result is a theology that is not exclusively God Centered......its distorted in the direction of the self.
Sir, I can understand your own experience with your brother. My elder sister was Cerebral Palsy & could not do anything for herself. She was incapacitated all her 39 years till her death.
Just as Abraham received the blessing BEFORE circumcision:
8 Blessed is the man to whom, the Lord will not reckon sin.
9 Is this blessing then pronounced upon the circumcision, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say, To Abraham his faith was reckoned for righteousness.
10 How then was it reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision: Ro 4
...the promise of Gen 12 was also given BEFORE circumcision:
6 But it is not as though the word of God hath come to nought. For they are not all Israel, that are of Israel:
7 neither, because they are Abraham`s seed, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, it is not the children of the flesh that are children of God; but the children of the promise are reckoned for a seed. Ro 9
28 There can be neither Jew nor Greek, there can be neither bond nor free, there can be no male and female; for ye all are one man in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye are Christ`s, then are ye Abraham`s seed, heirs according to promise. Gal 3
When we use the term 'eternal salvation', it is in reference to that which man is totally passive, i.e., the birth from above, regeneration. Man has an active role in the salvation of Ro 10:8-13.
Paul also says:
17 So belief cometh of hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.
18 But I say, Did they not hear? Yea, verily, Their sound went out into all the earth, And their words unto the ends of the world. Ro 10
By the time Romans was written the gospel had gone to the ends of the earth. So the Jews HAD indeed heard.
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1 And in those days cometh John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea, saying,
2 Repent ye; for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. Mt 3
17 From that time began Jesus to preach, and to say, Repent ye; for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. Mt 4
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It sure sounds to me like that's the way you're presenting it. It takes 'one time only' for it to stick, and then it's Abracadabra! Presto chango! Was bound for hell, now heaven is assured!
You got some scripture that sheds some light on this working of the Spirit in this manner? The Spirit works from within those He has already wrought within, and they come to show that the source of their works is from God.-Jn 3:21
No, Ro 10:8-13 is a way of life, not a one time occurrence.
And I think that is an ideal pattern for us all to follow, but if the truth be known most spend most their time in the flesh. Just sayin’.
Paul was lamenting over Jews in the 'Jewish interlude'. Why didn't he include water baptism as a requirement for 'all Israel to be 'saved'. Christ's words were concise on that.
[add] And it was the resurrected Christ that made the statement. The temple curtain had been ripped from top to bottom.
What does Paul cause to be written in 2 Tim 1:9-10?:
9 who saved us, and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before times eternal,
10 but hath now been manifested by the appearing of our Saviour Christ Jesus, who abolished death, and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel, 2 Tim 1
The gospel sheds light on life and immortality, it does not impart life and immortality. It is Christ who has abolished death and made us alive, not some formula or equation to be found within the scriptures. That's exactly the same mistake the Jews made:
Ye search the scriptures, because ye think that in them ye have eternal life; and these are they which bear witness of me; Jn 5:39
[add] Take heed to thyself, and to thy teaching. Continue in these things; for in doing this thou shalt save both thyself and them that hear thee. 1 Tim 4:16
This just shows salvation is an ongoing process not a one time event.
18 for the word of the cross to those indeed perishing is foolishness, and to us -- those being saved -- it is the power of God, 1 Cor 1:18 YLT
Ongoing process, not a one time event.
..work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; Phil 2:12.
Ongoing process, not a one time event.
......to present you holy and without blemish and unreproveable before him: if so be that ye continue in the faith, grounded and stedfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel which ye heard, Col 1:22,23
Behold then the goodness and severity of God: toward them that fell, severity; but toward thee, God`s goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. Ro 11:22
Now I make known unto you brethren, the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye received, wherein also ye stand, by which also ye are saved, if ye hold fast the word which I preached unto you, except ye believed in vain. 1 Cor 15:1,2
but Christ as a son, over his house; whose house are we, if we hold fast our boldness and the glorying of our hope firm unto the end...... for we are become partakers of Christ, if we hold fast the beginning of our confidence firm unto the end: Heb 3:6,14
Ongoing process, not a one time event.
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convicted1
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Looks like you were tutored by your jr. high's valedictorian.......
There's a lot of depth and insight, and the appearance of much study in these two posts of yours......
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saturneptune
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I love you too.Looks like you were tutored by your jr. high's valedictorian.......
It is was not my intention to stomp on the poor fellow. I am reminded how Priscilla and Aquilla took Apollos and explained to him the word of God more adequately (Acts 18:26). That is what I was trying to do.