Featured Who Does God WANT to Save?

according to your post--people can CALL upon WONDERFUL and be saved just as easy as jesus ????

so they can say Wonderful please save me ?????

 

It wouldn't matter is he was born an Eskimo. It makes no difference. The Holy Spirit inspired the Greek language. The apostles penned the NT in Greek. If one finds a Hebrew translation, then it is uninspired for the inspired documents of the NT are in Greek. To call upon the name of Jesus Iesou, is what the Bible commands. That is what the Holy Spirit of God commanded. It is not according to preference it is according to God's command. If you have not done so, you are not saved.

You don't get to choose what "gods" you want to believe in.
The Holy Spirit has already commanded us to believe on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. You do not have the privilege of renaming them. They are inspired in the Greek language, and all translations are translated from the Greek, not Hebrew. Again, if you have not believed on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, you are not saved.

Language is important. If you call the God you believe in "Allah" is he still Jesus Christ? No. You are commanded to call on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. You don't have a preference in this matter. It is not a choice you have. It is a command you must obey. You are not accurately portraying Christ.

Then use Greek. But don't use Hebrew. The NT was written in Greek. It is the Greek that accurately portrays who Christ is, not any other language. However, that being said, our Bibles--English and otherwise, our translated from the Greek.

So what. That doesn't take away from the command to "call upon the name of the Lord Jesus Christ."
[quoe]tell me how does jesus spell Joshua ?? tell me how does jesus in any form SOUND like Joshua ???[/quote]
You can ask Jesus when you get to heaven, if you get there.
First you must call on his name--the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
It isn't Joshua. Jesus may very well have communicated in Greek to his disciples. You don't know.

When you make statements like that you should give references to prove your case. Remember, our standard is the Greek, not the KJV.

Because the Greek is the standard; not the Hebrew.
Argue with the Holy Spirit. He is the one who inspired the words of the NT in the Greek language. Your argument is with God.

Where is this translation?
The command is to believe on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, not on the name of Joshua.

That is not true. You have no proof.

Jesus is his name. Try reading the NT.
You must call upon the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. No other name will do.

 

BTW NO dis-regard to you as a Israelite (if you are one)---but I have come across some other Hebrew Israelites that would put you to shame my friend on knowledge of the heritage and culture and history and truth of scriptures.

 

You can ask Jesus when you get to heaven, if you get there.
First you must call on his name--the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
It isn't Joshua. Jesus may very well have communicated in Greek to his disciples. You don't know.

When you make statements like that you should give references to prove your case. Remember, our standard is the Greek, not the KJV.

Because the Greek is the standard; not the Hebrew.
Argue with the Holy Spirit. He is the one who inspired the words of the NT in the Greek language. Your argument is with God.

Where is this translation?
The command is to believe on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, not on the name of Joshua.

That is not true. You have no proof.

Jesus is his name. Try reading the NT.
You must call upon the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. No other name will do.[/QUOTE]

well friend im not arguing with you any more--I disagree with you and you with me--but Blessings be to you friend--:love2::love2::love2:

 

You have no argument.
First, the NT is written in Greek and you want to use Hebrew.
Second, we are commanded to call upon the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and you want to call upon a different name.

You need to reconcile these two things.

 

You are arguing against a superlapsarian Calvinistic point of view that demands that God decreed an unfallen creatable people to be saved while electing the rest to hell. I am not a superlapsarian. So your argument and intepretations do not apply to my position which is entirely different than a superlapsarian. I do not believe God elected anyone to hell - no need to - as all were condemned already (Jn. 3:18).

My position comes from a sublapsarian position that places election after the fall not before it. Hence, the grounds of universal condemnation already existed prior to being "chosen to salvation" (2 Ths. 2:13) as "vessels of MERCY". "Mercy" presupposes just condemnation and election is "to" salvation which presupposes the fall and just condemnation of all men.

Hence, Divine justice condemns all men equally and God would be glorified in the just condemnation of all sinners as none are righteous, no not one, and all equally not only deserve condemnation equally but all equally freely choose to resist God (Acts 7:51) and are all equally at war with God (Rom. 8:7).

Therefore, election to salvation is not based upon anything found in the elect that is not equally found in the non-elect but election is based purely upon the "good pleasure" of God's will or something found in His purpose of Grace to save an underserving people IN SPITE OF THEMSELVES "to the praise of the glory of His grace." He is therefore EQUALLY glorified in the just condemnation of the non-elect as He is in the salvation of the elect. His justice is glorified in them while his mercy is glorified in the elect - both equally glorify God.

Nothing explains the salvation of the elect except God's unconditional love and amazing grace. Nothing in them makes them any better than those God freely allows to continue in their enmity and justly deserve eternal wrath. Nothing! Their salvation is wholly of Grace and based wholly in God's divine purpose of grace alone.

The New Testament is written from a Jewish background and the Jews believed "salvation is of the Jews" (Jn. 4) and one must become a Jew by circumcision to be saved. The term "world" from a Jewish perspective had one of several different applications:

1. Non-Jews or the Gentiles - Rom. 11:12
2. All mankind without distinction of race, class or gender - 1 Jn. 2:2; Jn. 3:16
3. A system of evil.
4. The physical creation
5. Orderly arrangement
6. hyperbole
7. all mankind without exception

The non-elect are not elected to hell but simply allowed to continue according to their own free will in spite of internal and external revelation/warnings. Hence, they resist all the provisions of prevenient grace.

The elect are saved in spite of themselves, their resistance, their enmity due to pure grace alone.

In all redemptive passages the "us" in both the Old and New Testament refer to the elect. Among the Jews it is the "remnant" elect according to grace (Heb. 11:5) and in the New Testament among the Gentiles it is the "elect" (Rom. 8:29-30; 11:1-28).

In context, Paul precedes this by asking Timothy to pray for "all" men, meaning all classes of men, all kinds of men, all races of men." The term "all" refers to "all" mankind without distinction of class, race, or gender not all mankind without exception as many were suffering the wrath of God already in hell.

He is the only savior under heaven given to all men. No other Savior has been provided by God for the salvation of men. However, according to the purpose of election He is the effectual Savior of them.

"US-wARD" or the elect and none will perish as ALL the Father gives the Son will come to him in faith and "of all" given "I SHALL LOSE NOTHING.

He is writing Jewish believers who have been given the "old" commandment as well as the "new". The "whole world" refers to all classes, races, and genders without distinction. This is something that the Jewish Christians struggled with for the first ten chapters in the book of Acts.

He is talking to a Samaritan woman unto whom he also said "salvation is of the Jews" but not restricted to the Jews but the whole world = every race, class and gender including this woman and so all men without distinction.

The context is talking about TEMPORAL judgement which very soon was unleashed upon Israel by Babylon. God is glorified in the just condemnation of sinners but takes no pleasure in it. God is glorfied in sin (Psa. 76:10) as no sin or evil is permitted except that which God will ultimately work for the good of his people (rom. 8:28 "all things work for good") and for his glory.

Again the immediate context is talking about the "captain" of the seed of Abraham or the elect.

Again, the context is in response to "salvation is of the Jews" and the Jews would have no dealings with Samaritans but Jesus is the Savior of all mankind WITHOUT DISTINCTION of race, class or gender.

This is the superlapsarian position but not my position. I believe in divine reprobation but based upon their own just condemnation and complete freedom of will to continue in their enmity toward God (Rom. 8:7).

He did not have to because the very next verse tells you why- They were condemned ALREADY (v. 18).

Those who "recieved him" did so because they were not born of the will of man but of the will of God (Jn. 1:13). The word "power" represents the Greek word "exousia" or "authority" and this authority is derived from the new birth and the new believing heart given in new birth (Ezek. 36:26). Epheisans 1:13 concludes the Ephesians 1:4-13 passage rather than begins it. Election is TO salvation (2 Thes. 2:13) not because of salvation. You are confusing consequences with cause.

I am glad you brought this verse up as it presents the real problem. Compare this text with Deuteronomy 5:29 and 29:4 and then the solution to both is provided in Ezek. 36:26-27.

 

למה אתה לא הולך לשחק שיש באמצע הרחוב?

 

DHK,

I am not being silly, but what do you consider "call(ed) upon the name of the Lord Jesus Christ" means, or better how is it applied.

Must it occur as actual vocalization?

Or do include expressions of the heart that don't reach the level of speaking specifically those three words in that order?

 

No, it doesn't have to be vocalized. "If thou shalt believe in thine heart the Lord Jesus and confess with thy mouth that God hath raised him from the dead thou shalt be saved."
The belief (faith) comes from the heart.
Christ is a real person. He is not Jehovah. He is God come in the flesh, lived on earth, died, buried and rose again. That person is identified in the NT as the Lord Jesus Christ. The Apostle Paul understood and believed in Jehovah. But he denied Christ. When he believed on the name of Christ, he submitted to him as Lord, and thus was saved. YAH could not save Paul. He already believed in YAH. He already believed in Jehovah. He was a Pharisee of the Pharisees. He needed to believe on Christ. It is only Christ that saves.

HW will not admit to this. He is trying to force a Hebrew God into the NT and deny the very name of Christ. If one does that he cannot be saved. We are saved through the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

Ok, we are agreed.

I was just checking to make sure we had the same thinking on this matter.

 

YAH has given us his Son--Yahushua---that through his Son's Name ALL might be saved.

the very Name of the Son means--YAH's Salvation.

 

That is not what the NT teaches and thus you are in grave error.
The names you mention are not in the NT; are not Greek names, the language which the Holy Spirit inspired, and thus are not the inspired names of God or Christ. They are made up names by you of a fictitious god, one that does not exist. It is one you have made up, in the imagination of your own mind.
The Bible says "Believe on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved."
There is no other name but the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Without His name you cannot be saved.

 

The title of the thread is "Who does God WANT to save."

So all responses should be about God, not the son, not the Holy Spirit.

God wants to save those in whom He has chosen to GIVE to His Son.

That is what the Scriptures teach.

"All that the Father gives Me will come to me."

 

Furthermore paul believed in the Father---but NOT the Son.

even those who believed ONLY on the Father and NOT the Son--were NOT received by the Father.

Yahushua said it best if you believed on the Son--then you truly believed on the Father and was received by the Father.

I do believe on the Son--Yahushua--therefore I am also received of the Father through his Son's name.

:love2::love2::love2::love2:

 

then according to the thread its the Father--YAH--

WHO does YAH want to save

Psalm 68-4 gives the father's Name plainly.

God is just a Title of a actual beings or thing's NAME.

the Monkey god of the jukes has an actual name unto those who worshipped it.

There's plenty of Gods out there and names behind them---question is WHO is your GOD and whats HIS NAME????????

 

Quote those Scriptures from the NT, the way that you have posted them.
You can't do it. You have perverted the Word of God.
Nowhere in the NT do you find the word Yahushua or Yah. It is not found. You are simply making up an imaginary god.

You aren't doing anything different than the Jews did when they substituted a golden calf for Jehovah. You are substituting Yahushua for Jesus Christ. And like the Jews and their golden calf, it is a form of idolatry. It is sin.

The correct answer to this thread is given almost immediately by Convicted1

Christ saves those who in faith come and believe in Him.
It must be HIM, that is JESUS, the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
If you have substituted another god (golden calf, Yahushua, etc.) then you have not believed on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

keep going on in your ignorance friend--my prayer goes out for thee

And for the record I don't give Adam's transgression more authority and Power over Yahushua's Offering as you and other's do---I give YAHUSHUA'S offering for ALL Mankind ALL Authority and POWER over the First man's transgression--BUT you are in IGNORANCE unto this also :tear::tear::tear:

 

In 1John 5, John wrote:
"My little children keep yourselves from idols."
The Jews substituted a golden calf for Jehovah.
You have substituted Yahushua for the Lord Jesus Christ.

Yahushua never offered anything.
Jesus Christ offered himself, one sacrifice for all, and forever.

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
--It is Christ who offered himself not Yahushua.
The God that you have substituted is another god, a false god. He doesn't exist. He is an idol of your mind.
"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved."