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“CBS This Morning” had Archbishop Dolan on yesterday (July 30) and he clarified what Pope Frances said. Charlie Rose asked ++Dolan if the Roman Church would ever change the Roman Church’s position on homosexual activities. ++Dolan flatly stated that they wouldn’t. ++Dolan reiterated (more than once) that the Roman Church hold’s sexual activity outside on male-female marriage is sinful. Ah the Main Stream Media’s and DHK twists and turns were foiled by a clear statement of the the orthodox Christian stance.
He is not saying “I’ve changed my mind about gay sex - it’s fine!” But if you were to go by what you read in the papers, he’s completely turned around the teaching of the Church on this. He hasn’t even said anything about relaxing or changing the ban on permitting men with same-sex attraction to become seminarians, yet it’s being reported as if Francis is saying “All gay and lesbian priests now all the time”.
What Francis was saying follows on from his emphasis on the mercy of God - do not fear to seek God because the mercy of God is ever-present for the truly repentant - and he was talking more about “I’m not interested in starting up a hunt to root out alleged gay religious” than “I think we were wrong on gay and lesbian people being permitted to marry”.
It’s telling that he quoted the Catechism in his answer and that part wasn’t included in the mainstream media reports, but eh - that’s more or less what you have to expect in religion reporting and DHK has repeatedly IGNORED the fact that he said it! DHK a little biased maybe?

 

The pope said nothing about a 'gay gene' or that homosexual behavior was to be condoned in any way. What Francis was saying follows on from his emphasis on the mercy of God - do not fear to seek God because the mercy of God is ever-present for the truly repentant -It’s telling that he quoted the Catechism in his answer and that part wasn’t included in the mainstream media reports and DHK has repeatedly IGNORED the fact that he said it! In FACT, DHK intentionally left that out of the original OP because he knew it would sink him

 

Can you show me where you have acknowledged that the pope, in the same interview, condemned any and all homosexual activity as sinful and not part of Church teaching?

Are you saying my Baptist friend, who says if he were to have sex he would have it with men, not women, but who has never engaged in a homosexual act is not really homosexual and he is living a life of celibacy for nothing? He just needs to 'pray the gay away'? Be specific. He is reading this with great amusement!

He says he has had an attraction to men as long as he can remember. Never women. Has determined by his understanding of scripture that he cannot act upon his desires and has chosen to remain celibate. If I understand you correctly, he is not a homosexual because a homosexual is only defined by what they do. He says he is homosexual. He has remained as true to the Christian faith as any Christian I know of (except he has shared this same-sex attraction with people he trusts) and I find it really hard to swallow what you seem to be saying. I agree with the guy from Talbot Seminary you labeled a 'looney Catholic'. And with Gup 20 when he/she says: This is why I don't use the term "homosexuality" if I can help it. I like to use the term "homosexual behavior." Truth be told, if we classified ourselves based on our lusts, rather than our actions, we would all be adulterers, fornicators, rapists, murderers, etc. It is no different for those with gay lusts. Their lusts are no more sinful than ours.

My friend has chosen not to act on his lusts. Now what? Is he a confused heterosexual who has NEVER had a heterosexual desire in his life?

 

Deserves a re-post! My friend has not given in to his desires, pondered it or entertained it (acted on it).

 

WRONG, he did just that! He quoted the catechism and said that the Church has not nor will not budge an inch on it's teaching that sex outside of marriage (between a man and a woman) is sin. Regardless of how you or the media try to twist this, that is what he said, period! He never said he accepts gay acts of any kind!

Now here is a shocker. I do agree with you on this. Well, maybe you agree. I tend to think Francis blew it…not the media. He did not make the distinctions that his defenders are making in their clarifications…his words, at least as reported, are muddled and fuzzy. Unless one is familiar with the catechism, it would be very easy to come away with precisely the message being reported and that your are trying to give. The media is horrible, but this controversy is the fault of Francis and his apparent inability to speak with clarity. I think he needs to work on it. I think he is orthodox and made it clear in quoting and standing on the teaching on homosexuality in the catechism, but again, unless you are familiar with the catechism, it didn't mean much to those reporting (or you).

 

And boy, DHK, talk about taking the popes words and twisting them. He said he had investigated, found nothing wrong, but if he (the accused) had done something wrong (homosexual activity) that when a person sins, he confesses and God forgives and forgets. Now, what part of that bothers you. Sounds like the allegations against the man were unfounded and that had he been involved in the sin of homosexuality and the man repented and confessed his sin, then it is up to God to be the judge as to whether or not the man was truly contrite. Again, I think you and media twisted what he said and had the pope just quoted the catechism from the start instead of stating that he hasn't budged from the teaching of the Church you would not be having this discussion.

 

I believe it depends on the context. For example, you cannot argue homosexuality as a non-sin, being ok with God. Or debate sex in general. I think it is ok to bring to light those who are promoting the homosexual lifestyle as being ok with Christ.

 

I think it's troubling that the pope, who should know what he wants to say and exactly how it should be said, needs to have spoke persons following him around after the fact picking up the pieces and interpreting what the man had to say.

 

There are many Catholics in the blogsphere that agree with you, Steaver. And I hope he is quick to learn that he needs to speak with much more clarity. But here is what is translated from the Spainish transcript (which DHK does not have here) and does give more clarity to the Ricca accusations:

-With regard to Bishop Ricca, I did what canon law commanded to do, which is previous research. And this study says nothing about what has been published. We have found nothing. But I would add one thing: many times in the Church is to find the sins of youth and published. And speaking of sins, crimes such as child abuse. But if a person-secular priest or nun commits a sin and then repents, the Lord forgives. And when the Lord forgives, He forgets. The important thing is to make a theology of sin. I often think St. Peter made ​​the worst sins, deny Christ'

No mention of 'done nothing criminal' instead of 'done nothing immoral', just 'we have found nothing'. That is from the actual transcript. Now what the media did with it and what DHK is claiming is quite different.

 

And maybe, just maybe YOU (as a moderator) should be expected to adhere to the rules you require of everyone else participating here. You have ignored other participants query's as to why you have started a banned topic. Bet you respond to mine and we both know why!

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DHK......the RC Church, with this wink & nod from Poppy Francis, is now for all intents & purposes officially out of the closet. And it was bound to happen.... at the dinner table at our RC families house, we never really talked about the sexual orientation of the Priests (though we knew full well not to let our kids be alone with these characters). Mom forbade me to be an alter boy & it took me a long while to figure that out. In those days, homosexual priests stayed hidden in the closet. Oh Lord, when I think of all the times I went to confession & told these queers my sins.....well now.... today I am a strong advocate for throwing everyone of these sex offender/ pedophile weirdo's in jail (Catholic or otherwise)

 

I was just reviewing this thread and what nonsense! First of all DHK you are falling right into the left wing media's trap at misrepresenting Pope Francis statement regarding gay clergy. How foolish. You start with the faulty premise that the left wing media plays up and create a whole thread to further unfairly bash Catholics. First of all let me enlighten you to what happened. The first thing that you should have caught on to is this question and answer session occurred on a plane trip back from Brazil to Rome. Some of the press asked to have the Pope answer some questions. One of the questions was specifically about the Vatican Bank scandal and the Pope's appointment of monsignor Battista Ricca. One of the reporters had gotten wind that there were some rumors that allege this priest had a Homosexual affair some 15 years ago. And the Pope responded to that question which lead him into a discourse about sin and the forgiveness of sin. It was here that He said specifically

It is quite clear what he meant. If a person repents and accepts the Lord and if they have good will meaning they are sincere and not pretending (ie true repentance a turning away from one's sin). How can he judge them? Think about Nicky Cruz. The guy was a gang member, did drugs, had prostitutes, abused people, and almost killed David Wilkerson. Now if he repented and turned from his sin, which he did, then how can any of us judge him now that he's a pastor? Do we hold that against him? It was an off the cuff statement regarding sin and repentance regarding priest. That is the actual context. However, because just as much as DHK hates the Catholic Church which he has admitted to... So does the media and any time they can disparage it they will. They've always hated the Catholic stance against practicing homosexuals and that Homosexuality is a disorder. So they take this off the cuff remark out of its context and write head lines like this which I saw on Yahoo "Pope Francis reached out to gays on Monday, saying he wouldn't judge priests for their sexual orientation in a remarkably open and wide-ranging news conference as he returned from his first foreign trip." There was nothing in his discourse that could even be construed as Pope Francis "reaching out to gay people". The whole discussion was about sin and repentance. But loving to take him out of context to support their immoral sexual deviant desires the media blew this thing out of context and proportion. There is going to be no change on the Catholic Churches teaching regarding homosexuality. And the Pope isn't indicating one either. What he needs is a more savvy press agent who knows the tricks these reporters are up to.

 

You think I haven't read anti-Catholic garbage and 'whore of Babylon' nonsense on this board? The threads about Catholics priests 'secretly praying in Latin to Satan' at the Easter Vigil, etc.

I just think it's interesting that you expect people to follow rules that you yourself won't follow. Your seething hatred of Catholicism has caused you to sanction me for mentioning a particular Catholic apologetics book (on another thread) that particularly gets your goat, label a leading evangelical theologian a 'looney Catholic' simply because you assumed if I was quoting a theologian I could only be quoting a Catholic and then said 'oh, I thought it was that other guy'. There was 'no other guy' and you know it. T.S. is absolutely right, 'what nonsense'!