Featured is Hyper calvinism even to be considered 'real cal?"

You wouldn't say Calvinism was born during that time, so I don't believe its fair to claim Arminianism was either. Both of these views (in different forms) existed long before the reformation as is evidenced in historical writings on the subject (which, btw, the more 'Calvinistic' (deterministic) interpretation didn't appear until Augustine, whereas the Early church fathers seem to strongly support the more common 'free will' approach)

I don't know of any non-Calvinistic Baptists who deny being Protestant. Can you name any notable ones?

Yes, that is what I was referring to. Thanks.

 

No. . .the term was in usage from the early 1800s, employed by all manner of Baptist schism groups before they (eventually) splintered off:

The Stone-Campbell Movement: The Story of the American Restoration Movement by Leroy Garrett, pp. 144-145:

Primitive Baptists of the Wiregrass South by John G. Crowley, pp. 59-60:

http://www.atlanticdistrict.com/about-us/

 

I think you misread me. Calvinism is a product of the Reformation; at least according to the theological position that developed through the Continental and Scottish Reformers. If you are asking me whether Calvin's view of predestination and election predated him, of course it did. But Calvin became an articulate voice and the term "Calvinism" stuck. So, while the doctrine attributed to Calvin did not have its beginning during the Reformation period the theological tradition did.

You do not? Try free will Baptists (full Arminians). They deny any link to the Protestant Reformation. Trail of Blood Baptists deny they are products of the Reformation, tracing their roots back to John the Baptist. These two groups are certainly not Calvinistic.

 

Okay. Gotcha now...

I'm not familiar with that group. I'm a Southern Baptist and I've always thought of the term "protestant" as meaning "non Catholic Christian" (like Gentile means 'non-Jew').

From web source: Protestant: It has been defined as "any of several church denominations denying the universal authority of the Pope and affirming the Reformation principles of justification by faith in Jesus alone, the priesthood of all believers, and the primacy of the Bible as the only source of revealed truth" and, more broadly, to mean Christianity outside "of an Orthodox or Catholic church".[1]

 

I agree with you.

I agree again. (I better not let this become a habit!)

Phil Johnson,who started Pyromaniacs,has called Tim Challies :"The world's most famous Christian blogger." I will quote a snip from an article Mr. Challies wrote back on 4/22/04 called Reformed:A Definition. :"Christiandom is separated into four main divisions:Eastern Orthodox,Roman Catholic,Protestant and Cults. Protestanism is generally divided into two camps:Arminian and Reformed. The vast majority of Protestants hold to Arminian doctrine."

 

Free Will Baptists deny any link to the Protestant Reformation?

Huh?

Free Will Baptist Welch College:

http://www.welch.edu/about-beliefs

http://www.welch.edu/about-mission

Their commencement speaker this year was Reformation scholar Timothy George:

http://www.welch.edu/news/44/2013/2013-04-26#.Ulcho1Nr1iw

 

Trail of Blood Baptists are "certainly not Calvinistic"?

Huh?

http://www.evangelical-times.org/archive/item/1107/Historical/Rolfe-Barnard---1904-1969--Part-2-/

The Trail of Blood was published by Clarence Walker and his Ashland Avenue Baptist Church.