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10 Dangers of Theistic Evolution
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Certainly.
Are you not familiar with them?
They are the same passages Christians used for hundreds of years to purport that the Earth was the center and the sun revolved around it.
But the thing is that the Scriptures are speaking figuratively and in a way that people could relate to.
So the Scriptures speak of the sun "rising". We still use that kind of language today. Well it does not do that. It appears to, but science has revealed that indeed it is static compared to the Earth which revolves around it.
I'll give just one for now:
Psalms 19:4-6
yet their voice goes out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them he has set a tent for the sun, which comes forth like a bridegroom leaving his chamber, and like a strong man runs his course with joy. Its rising is from the end of the heavens, and its circuit to the end of them; and there is nothing hid from its heat.
Speaking of a rising sun is not figurative. It's relative. In your statement that the sun is static compared to the Earth, you couldn't avoid defining a frame of reference to make your statement true, because the sun ISN'T stationary (which is the term you really want). According to present measurements, the sun is moving at approximately 600km/s through space in a circuit around the center of the milky way. It would only appear to be stationary if one were viewing the earth and the sun from a platform that is matching the sun's course and speed.
So again, when one speaks of a rising and setting sun, (or its stationary status) one is describing something not in figurative terms, but in relative terms. These relative terms are literal and scientifically accurate.
Were you more versed in the theories of general relativity, you would be more uncertain of your day-equals-epoch hermeneutic, based, as it is, not on the Scriptues, but on a fallacious notion of the theories and fueled by an illiteracy thereof.
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OldRegular
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The sun still rises in the East and sets in the West.
Expanding on the Scripture you posted to show the context:
Psalm 19:1-10, KJV
1. The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
2. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
3. There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
4. Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
5. Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
6. His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.
7. The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
8. The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.
9. The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.
10. More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
This passage says nowhere that the planets and the stars orbit the earth. It simply states to those who wish to learn about God, which Scripture declares, that the heavens declare the GLORY of GOD.
Surely Pastor Luke you can exegete Scripture better than that. I mean, really, you don't believe that Scripture is telling us that the Sun is a bridegroom? Your problem with this passage Pastor Luke is that you cherry picked verses 4-6 and then still could not prove your point.
The one thing you should get from this passage Pastor Luke is that The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. And the more man is able to use the brain that GOD gave him the more we are able to understand and see the Glorious work that GOD did in HIS CREATION. And that CREATION was from nothing as Scripture tells us:
Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
A most wonderful gift of GOD, faith.
GOD had a question for the patriarch Job and it applies to all those believers who are tempted to question GOD.
Job 38:1-4, KJV
1. Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
2. Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
3. Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
4. Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Verse 2 seems particularly applicable to you Pastor Luke!
Yes, I knew that. That's why I said, "Compared to the Earth."
The text I purposely chose and the phrase in that text I purposely highlighted speaks of the suns "circuit" about the earth.
It is figurative not relative.
Yes, well, the man who GAVE us the Theory of Relativity did not think the universe was 10,000 years old!
HAHAHAHA!
OldRegular
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Pastor Luke
The text says nothing of the suns circuit about the earth.
It says:
So you see Pastor Luke, you are rewriting Scripture in an attempt to prove your point; whatever that may be!
Wrong again. It's relative.
Yes, because of his presuppositions, not because of the equations of GR. GR can just as easily be applied to a different set of presuppositions, and grind out some surprising (from your frame of reference) results.
The sun does not RISE or set or circuit period.
In spite of what Aaron said earlier the authors of the Bible were not talking about the Sun as it treks through the universe with the rest of the galaxy.
They were speaking of what the sun appears to do in its relationship to earth.
But it does NOT rise or set. The Earth spins.
So any talk of the sun SETTING or RISING is figurative.
Here's the thing, Aaron. I agree with Einstein and you call me a an idiot for it.
You agree with uneducated people like Ken Ham and the phenomenally small percentage of educated people who agree with him compared to those who think he is off his rocker.
And you are a genius in your own mind.
It's kind of funny, isn't it?
See my response in the other thread. I've taken you to school on the subject. Here endeth the lesson.
quantumfaith
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If you have to announce it, it probably isn't so.:laugh:
I can refute any possibility of evolution, ready?
1. Life has never been discovered to come from non-life.
2. There is no known observable process where new genetic info can be added to the genetic code of an organism. It just has never, ever been observed or happened in all of time.
3. After that any ideas about how any of this could ever happen is nothing more than pure bogus speculation with no real foundation
There now evolution is completely debunked
1. Life has never been discovered to come from non-life.
2. There is no known observable process where new genetic info can be added to the genetic code of an organism. It just has never, ever been observed or happened in all of time.
3. After that any ideas about how any of this could ever happen is nothing more than pure bogus speculation with no real foundation
There now evolution is completely debunked
So, because it has never been observed it is not POSSIBLE?
Hmmm...
Because God DID bring life from non-life.
So, because it has never been observed it is not POSSIBLE?
How is speculation bogus?
Well, happy day! If you had been around 150 years ago then all of these geniuses who have debated the matter over that time period could have been saved a lot of time and effort!
How'd you get so smart?
OldRegular
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Evolution is a philosophy, not science. Science has never demonstrated evolution, they have postulated it. Some concept of evolution has been around almost as long as mankind.
OldRegular
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True!
That is what the Second Law of Thermodynamics states and that Law has never been violated.
Well said!
OldRegular
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At last you understand!
If evolution occurred why don't we see it now?
I expect many folks on this forum have the same question about you Pastor Luke. All your responses/remarks are smart alecky!
Evolutionary syncretism: a critique of Biologos
BioLogos, founded in 2007 and funded with a grant from the theistic evolutionary Templeton foundation, declares on its home page that it “explores, promotes and celebrates the integration of science and Christian faith.” But by their own admission, they do not offer anything specifically Christian; their article ‘On what grounds can one claim that the Christian God is the Creator?’ says: “The creation story of BioLogos is compatible with many faith traditions. Muslims, Jews and Christians alike can align their faith with the BioLogos account of our origins, and there is no way to give a scientific proof for one monotheistic faith over another.”1
Indeed, they succeed in their quest for non-specificity; on the whole site, there are very few articles that are specifically Christian, and most of those are from outside contributors. But they claim that all of their members are Christian theistic evolutionists, so in that sense they are a professing Christian group. But their embrace of evolutionary science and some of its logical effects on Christian theology is such that they, in effect, become syncretists2—rather like the way the Gnostics syncretized Christianity and Greek philosophy, and the Roman Catholic Church in Galileo’s day did with Aristotelian physics.
http://creation.com/biologos-evolutionary-syncretism
BioLogos, founded in 2007 and funded with a grant from the theistic evolutionary Templeton foundation, declares on its home page that it “explores, promotes and celebrates the integration of science and Christian faith.” But by their own admission, they do not offer anything specifically Christian; their article ‘On what grounds can one claim that the Christian God is the Creator?’ says: “The creation story of BioLogos is compatible with many faith traditions. Muslims, Jews and Christians alike can align their faith with the BioLogos account of our origins, and there is no way to give a scientific proof for one monotheistic faith over another.”1
Indeed, they succeed in their quest for non-specificity; on the whole site, there are very few articles that are specifically Christian, and most of those are from outside contributors. But they claim that all of their members are Christian theistic evolutionists, so in that sense they are a professing Christian group. But their embrace of evolutionary science and some of its logical effects on Christian theology is such that they, in effect, become syncretists2—rather like the way the Gnostics syncretized Christianity and Greek philosophy, and the Roman Catholic Church in Galileo’s day did with Aristotelian physics.
http://creation.com/biologos-evolutionary-syncretism
Biologos, Theistic Evolution, and Misplaced Confidence
Theistic evolution is nothing new. For generations, Christians have attempted to import the evolutionary process into the early chapters of Genesis in hopes of finding a harmony between the two. The organization Biologos is devoted to this very task. According to its website, Biologos exists for the purpose of “exploring and celebrating the compatibility of evolutionary creation and biblical faith.”
While the existence of theistic evolution is certainly not new, I have been struck by the degree to which it is promoted with evangelistic zeal by Biologos. The goal of this organization is not just that theistic evolution would be viewed as an “allowable” view amongst Christians, but that theistic evolution would be seen as the only viable choice for believing Christians. This trend is evident in the most recent Biologos newsletter which provided a recap of the March 20-22, 2012 Biologos conference entitled Theology of Celebration III (hosted by PCA pastor Tim Keller @ Redeemer NYC). According to the newsletter, this conference was designed to expose an area of “deep concern” for the church. What is this area of “deep concern”? It is simply this: “That almost half of America’s protestant pastors hold or strongly lean toward a belief in a universe less than 10,000 years.” In other words, the deep concern of this conference is that most evangelicals take the Genesis account as straightforward history and thus reject the billions-of-years-old universe required by evolution. What should be done about this crisis? According to the newsletter, conference participants left with an “urgent desire to bring about change” and a desire that “the church will be impacted.” In essence, Biologos is on a quest to rescue the church from non-theistic evolutionists.
http://michaeljkruger.com/biologos-theistic-evolution-and-misplaced-confidence/
Theistic evolution is nothing new. For generations, Christians have attempted to import the evolutionary process into the early chapters of Genesis in hopes of finding a harmony between the two. The organization Biologos is devoted to this very task. According to its website, Biologos exists for the purpose of “exploring and celebrating the compatibility of evolutionary creation and biblical faith.”
While the existence of theistic evolution is certainly not new, I have been struck by the degree to which it is promoted with evangelistic zeal by Biologos. The goal of this organization is not just that theistic evolution would be viewed as an “allowable” view amongst Christians, but that theistic evolution would be seen as the only viable choice for believing Christians. This trend is evident in the most recent Biologos newsletter which provided a recap of the March 20-22, 2012 Biologos conference entitled Theology of Celebration III (hosted by PCA pastor Tim Keller @ Redeemer NYC). According to the newsletter, this conference was designed to expose an area of “deep concern” for the church. What is this area of “deep concern”? It is simply this: “That almost half of America’s protestant pastors hold or strongly lean toward a belief in a universe less than 10,000 years.” In other words, the deep concern of this conference is that most evangelicals take the Genesis account as straightforward history and thus reject the billions-of-years-old universe required by evolution. What should be done about this crisis? According to the newsletter, conference participants left with an “urgent desire to bring about change” and a desire that “the church will be impacted.” In essence, Biologos is on a quest to rescue the church from non-theistic evolutionists.
http://michaeljkruger.com/biologos-theistic-evolution-and-misplaced-confidence/
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