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the Bible teaches that the planets and stars orbit the earth?
Pastor Luke
Can you quote Scripture that says the planets and stars orbit the earth?
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the Bible teaches that the planets and stars orbit the earth?
Pastor Luke
Can you quote Scripture that says the planets and stars orbit the earth?
Speaking of a rising sun is not figurative. It's relative. In your statement that the sun is static compared to the Earth, you couldn't avoid defining a frame of reference to make your statement true, because the sun ISN'T stationary (which is the term you really want). According to present measurements, the sun is moving at approximately 600km/s through space in a circuit around the center of the milky way. It would only appear to be stationary if one were viewing the earth and the sun from a platform that is matching the sun's course and speed.Certainly.
Are you not familiar with them?
They are the same passages Christians used for hundreds of years to purport that the Earth was the center and the sun revolved around it.
But the thing is that the Scriptures are speaking figuratively and in a way that people could relate to.
So the Scriptures speak of the sun "rising". We still use that kind of language today. Well it does not do that. It appears to, but science has revealed that indeed it is static compared to the Earth which revolves around it.
I'll give just one for now:
Psalms 19:4-6
yet their voice goes out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them he has set a tent for the sun, which comes forth like a bridegroom leaving his chamber, and like a strong man runs his course with joy. Its rising is from the end of the heavens, and its circuit to the end of them; and there is nothing hid from its heat.
Certainly.
Are you not familiar with them?
They are the same passages Christians used for hundreds of years to purport that the Earth was the center and the sun revolved around it.
But the thing is that the Scriptures are speaking figuratively and in a way that people could relate to.
So the Scriptures speak of the sun "rising". We still use that kind of language today. Well it does not do that. It appears to, but science has revealed that indeed it is static compared to the Earth which revolves around it.
I'll give just one for now:
Psalms 19:4-6
yet their voice goes out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them he has set a tent for the sun, which comes forth like a bridegroom leaving his chamber, and like a strong man runs his course with joy. Its rising is from the end of the heavens, and its circuit to the end of them; and there is nothing hid from its heat.
Speaking of a rising sun is not figurative. It's relative. In your statement that the sun is static compared to the Earth, you couldn't avoid defining a frame of reference to make your statement true, because the sun ISN'T stationary (which is the term you really want). According to present measurements, the sun is moving at approximately 600km/s through space in a circuit around the center of the milky way. It would only appear to be stationary if one were viewing the earth and the sun from a platform that is matching the sun's course and speed.So again, when one speaks of a rising and setting sun, (or its stationary status) one is describing something not in figurative terms, but in relative terms. These relative terms are literal and scientifically accurate.
Were you more versed in the theories of general relativity, you would be more uncertain of your day-equals-epoch hermeneutic, based, as it is, not on the Scriptues, but on a fallacious notion of the theories and fueled by an illiteracy thereof.
Yes, I knew that. That's why I said, "Compared to the Earth."
The text I purposely chose and the phrase in that text I purposely highlighted speaks of the suns "circuit" about the earth.
It is figurative not relative.
Psalm 19:6 KJV
6. His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.
Wrong again. It's relative.It is figurative not relative.
Yes, because of his presuppositions, not because of the equations of GR. GR can just as easily be applied to a different set of presuppositions, and grind out some surprising (from your frame of reference) results.Yes, well, the man who GAVE us the Theory of Relativity did not think the universe was 10,000 years old!
Pastor Luke
The text says nothing of the suns circuit about the earth.
It says:
So you see Pastor Luke, you are rewriting Scripture in an attempt to prove your point; whatever that may be!
Wrong again. It's relative.
Yes, because of his presuppositions, not because of the equations of GR. GR can just as easily be applied to a different set of presuppositions, and grind out some surprising (from your frame of reference) results.
See my response in the other thread. I've taken you to school on the subject. Here endeth the lesson.You agree with uneducated people like Ken Ham and the phenomenally small percentage of educated people who agree with him compared to those who think he is off his rocker.
And you are a genius in your own mind.
It's kind of funny, isn't it?
See my response in the other thread. I've taken you to school on the subject. Here endeth the lesson.
I can refute any possibility of evolution, ready?
1. Life has never been discovered to come from non-life.
2. There is no known observable process where new genetic info can be added to the genetic code of an organism. It just has never, ever been observed or happened in all of time.
3. After that any ideas about how any of this could ever happen is nothing more than pure bogus speculation with no real foundation
There now evolution is completely debunked
True!I can refute any possibility of evolution, ready?
1. Life has never been discovered to come from non-life.
That is what the Second Law of Thermodynamics states and that Law has never been violated.2. There is no known observable process where new genetic info can be added to the genetic code of an organism. It just has never, ever been observed or happened in all of time.
3. After that any ideas about how any of this could ever happen is nothing more than pure bogus speculation with no real foundation
There now evolution is completely debunked
So, because it has never been observed it is not POSSIBLE?
Hmmm...
Because God DID bring life from non-life.
If evolution occurred why don't we see it now?So, because it has never been observed it is not POSSIBLE?
How'd you get so smart?