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Sadly Winman you just do not know how to interpret Scripture. You continually harp that Jesus Christ died for ALL men. Now you are claiming that Jesus Christ insists some men do not need redemption. Can't you see the contradiction?

Consider the passage you are harping about:

Luke 15:7. I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

Does Jesus Christ say that these 99 men never needed repentance and justification? No He does not. In fact elsewhere He says they did as all men do.

Now consider the remarks concerning the elder son:

Luke 15:28-31
28. And he was angry, and would not go in: therefore came his father out, and intreated him.
29. And he answering said to his father, Lo, these many years do I serve thee, neither transgressed I at any time thy commandment: and yet thou never gavest me a kid, that I might make merry with my friends:
30. But as soon as this thy son was come, which hath devoured thy living with harlots, thou hast killed for him the fatted calf.
31. And he said unto him, Son, thou art ever with me, and all that I have is thine.

You are putting words in Jesus' mouth. Jesus did not say the elder son had not transgressed. That was the brag of the elder son!

Winman you are simply mistaken!

 

The Door...

 

'The Confession' alone answers the question?

The most biblically accurate description that no one can find fault with at all?

Huh?

Over at Reformed Baptist Fellowship, Reformed Baptist Elder D. Scott Meadows says the statement "goes beyond the Scriptural teaching, and it probably would have been better omitted from the Confession, since it is arguably dubious."

 

Jerome

Yes...in full.

Correct Jerome...

I did not type it wrong did I?

Over at Reformed Baptist Fellowship, Reformed Baptist Elder D. Scott Meadows says the statement "goes beyond the Scriptural teaching, and it probably would have been better omitted from the Confession, since it is arguably dubious."[/QUOTE]
I do not know this man or his statement in full...if this is it..he is flat out mistaken.

Well as I expected...you cut-off his statement;

 

Huh?

What does the part you cut out of his letter have to do with your 'mustn't question The Confession' pronouncements?

 

I do not know this man or his statement in full...if this is it..he is flat out mistaken.

Well as I expected...you cut-off his statement;

And now with that clarity, I know it will come as a shock to you, I REALLY disagree with you and ANYONE who holds that position. So grateful I was not predestinated to be of the reformed persuasion.

 

The highlighted portion of his completed statement supports the confessional statement.
he said;

case closed despite your intent jerome:thumbs: he is free to make any statement he wants...but he will not undo the confessional statement or even begin to prove his statement when considered in terms of particular redemption.
Come to think of it...neither will you...lol

 

Well QF...in what way do you think this is different from the confessional statement???
You said you agreed with the statement???/now you disagree with yourself???

 

QF,

Your gratefulness will not change those whom God has already purposed to save.It will not increase or diminish the number at all.

 

13 But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny?

14 Take that thine is, and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee.

15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?

16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.

 

Without the Grace of God there would be no "Door"!

 

I don't consider myself of the "reformed" persuasion though I do believe in the Doctrines of Election and Sovereign Grace. That being said I also believe the Scripture I have presented, in particular the words of Jesus Christ. And then, of course, there are the words of David when his child died.

Luke 18:15, 16
15. And they brought unto him also infants, that he would touch them: but when his disciples saw it, they rebuked them.
16. But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

Following are some comments by one of the founders of the Southern Baptist Convention regarding the salvation of those dying in infancy. I realize that this is his opinion just as those of Mohler which I posted earlier are his opinion but they reflect what I believe.

 

Could or would you elaborate?

 

Whereas I would say being confident in the word that just as every infant born of woman had nothing to do with that birth that infant to see/enter/inherit the kingdom of God will need to be born again/from above/by the Spirit and just like it's first birth it will have absolutely nothing to do with it's Spirit birth.

Christ died for the ungodly. And all (unqualified as to age) have sinned and come short of the glory of God. That glory BTW is eternal life for one could not inherit anything eternally without eternal life.

And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. Romans 8:17

 

When a believer dies the body goes into the grave and the spirit/soul goes to be with God. The Apostle Paul writes:

Philippians 1:21-24
21. For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.
22. But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not.
23. For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:
24. Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you.

Paul states above that when he dies he will be with Jesus Christ, that is his soul/spirit. His body will go to the grave to be resurrected at the return of Jesus Christ. [1 Coirinthians 15]

 

First of all, it was Jesus himself who told us this elder son's words, if not for Jesus we would not have this statement in scripture.

And that is important, why would Jesus say something ridiculous and nonsensical if Original Sin is true? If OS is true, Jesus would surely know it, so why would he invent a parable about a person who claimed to have NEVER sinned?

But read on, Jesus told us that the boy's father did not correct him. The father did not call the elder son a liar or a hypocrite, he did not rebuke the boy. NO, in fact he confirmed what the elder son said was true.

Luk 15:31 And he said unto him, Son, thou art ever with me, and all that I have is thine.
32 It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.

The father, who represents God the Father in this parable, called the elder son "Son". God would never call an unsaved, unregenerate man "son". This proves Jesus was not speaking of the Pharisees, Jesus called them "serpents" and "vipers" and "child of hell". NO, the elder son was one of God's children, he lovingly calls him "son". Further, they were NEVER separated by sin from one another, the father said to the elder son, "thou art EVER with me" and "all that I have is thine".

So, the father CONFIRMS that what the elder son said was true, he had never sinned, and his fellowship with his father had NEVER been broken, nor ever would.

Lastly, the father CONTRASTS the elder son to his younger brother who left home and went out in sin, he says "thy brother was DEAD", he says he was LOST.

One last point, the father said the prodigal was alive AGAIN, which proves he was not born dead in sin. NO, the prodigal was not dead at first, he was not separated from his father until he willingly and knowingly went out in sin. At this point he BECAME dead and lost, and was joined to a citizen of that far country.

Luke 15 absolutely refutes Original Sin.

 

Thank you:godisgood:

 

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

That's kind of like saying, without the grace of God there would be no God, but God does not exist by grace. (Jesus said, I am the door.)

There is only one way for a descendant of Adam to enter Heaven, and that is by grace through faith in the Door. None who perished outside of Noah's family found grace in the eyes of the Lord.

 

This is worth thinking deeply about, Aaron.
After all, the Bible did say "Grace and Truth came by Jesus Christ".
Did the Bible say each and everyone of Noah's family "had" faith ?
But let me stop here, because going further will derail this thread.