Featured Baptismal Salvation?

This is not a baptism as is understood to be a public witness of the saving work of Christ, but is the Jewish tradition of purification. John explained that it was more than a ceremony, but a change of heart was necessary to partake in it. Not, however, the saving work of Christ, who had not yet revealed Himself, much less died on the cross.

Same thing.

The word "for" is the Greek eis which is also translated "because," or "because of."

It is the same in the English language. Posters seen all over the midwest 140 years ago said "Wanted: Jesse James, for bank robbery." Did they want Jesse to rob a bank? No, they wanted him because he robbed a bank.

 

Seems to me that if baptism were necessary for salvation, it would be included in everhy verse which mentions the way to come into a right relationship with God.

John 3:16, for instance, does not mention baptism. Just belief/faith.
Same for Acts 16:31 "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved."
Romans 10:9 Call on the name of the Lord.
Romans 10:13. Confess the risen Christ as Lord

If baptism is essential to salvation, both Jesus and Paul erred badly in failing to mention it.

Just to name a few.

 

Never heard it called that before; always been Baptismal Regeneration.

From Christ Himself AFTER the cross:

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that disbelieveth shall be condemned. Mk 16

That's pretty plain, don't you think?

 

Yep. Salvation is about faith.. baptism is our identification with Him because we HAVE BEEN eternally saved through faith.

 

Jordan, there are many commentators (probably none Baptist) who equate Titus 3:5 with Christian baptism.

 

'He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved...'

It sure looks like the equation there is, belief plus baptism equals salvation. Nothing about it being an 'identification'.

 

Isn't there an incantation that must be repeated also? I thought your equation went something along the lines of 'hearing plus faith plus confession equals salvation'.

Maybe CoC has it right, maybe the complete formula is actually 'hearing plus faith plus confession plus baptism equals salvation'?

 

y'all hav'n fun, aintcha, brother ?:smilewinkgrin:
might join ya in a li'l bit, assumin' my fair wife don't wan' come 'ome earlee.
hehe.

 

There is no such thing as eternal salvation separate from faith, ever.

 

You've left off the word 'already'. The lost are already condemned, now, before they have heard the Gospel. They are on their way to hell unless the Grace of God is bestowed upon them and He saves them (which are the elect). Albeit there are some on here who do not believe this truth and say they are only going to hell after they hear and aren't saved. I asked these to then never tell others their gospel since others aren't condemned until they hear it and don't receive it, so don't tell them and they'll 'gain' eternal life.

 

Actually it is this:

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:18

 

lol...

You used condemned, it is necessary for you to switch to another verse as the former quotation from you reflected John not Mark. We're picky around here and tend to use the words people use, not what they 'meant' to use.

My point was only this, that the lost are condemned now, not at some point in the future after rejection, but right now. And as in Mark their damnation shall come to actual fulfillment, which is another subject altogether.

 

I see you understand the difference.

It relates to the OP in this way, those that are condemned are now condemned, and those who believe and are baptized shall be saved. Those who are His are obedient to Him will be baptized. I don't believe in disobedient salvation, or belief 'alone' and not following Christ, whether in disobeying Him to be baptized, or in His other commands, and yet fully expecting to get to heaven. His sheep follow Him, and this makes things apparent.