Featured Most Evil Person in American History

Van, I don't want you to think I'm picking on you, but that is from this message board and can't be considered authoritative, accurate, or astute. And even if it could be, it doesn't prove anything about how the Civil War started.

 

Not a single fact in his post. You have no idea about the numbers. Now you are saying it could be nine million. LOL.

It is silly to continue. Come back with facts if you really wanna talk.

 

Van, Van, Van, You are like the Seventh Day Adventist who posts on the "anybody" Forums. You think if you post the same false premise enough times people will start to believe it!

 

Folks, the last four posts tell a story. They attack me by name. They claim no facts have been presented.

1) Is it a fact the South seceded before Lincoln took office? Yes Do they deny it and assert an alternate fact? No. They simply say it is not a fact. Look it up folks, they are in denial.

2) Is it a fact the secession statements said they thought the North would act to end slavery in their states. Yes. So they seceded over the right to continue slavery. Look it up folks, they are in denial.

3) Was Lincoln and the Republican party on record as wanting to end slavery? Yes. Look it up folks, they are in denial.

Bottom line, the southern leaders fearing the end of slavery if they remained in the Union which was growing in non-slave state numbers, seceded over the issue of slavery. But to hide the villainy they say it was about anything and everything except slavery, and the North was just as evil as the south. ROFLOL

 

" but that is from this." No. It is from this:
http://www.ops.org/high/burke/Portals/0/STAFF_FOLDERS/T_McNair_Abbey/Slavery.pdf

 

Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, Van: And if you like your doctor you can keep him, Period!

 

That's the best way to put it.

 

You did not get that garbage you have been posting from this: http://www.ops.org/high/burke/Portals/0/STAFF_FOLDERS/T_McNair_Abbey/Slavery.pdf

The only mention in the short article about slavery in the United States is THIS:

Van, I borrowed the following from a Salty thread, look and learn!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCC9VHk13JY

 

1) Is it a fact the South seceded before Lincoln took office? Yes Do they deny it and assert an alternate fact? No. They simply say it is not a fact. Look it up folks, they are in denial.

2) Is it a fact the secession statements said they thought the North would act to end slavery in their states. Yes. So they seceded over the right to continue slavery. Look it up folks, they are in denial.

3) Was Lincoln and the Republican party on record as wanting to end slavery? Yes. Look it up folks, they are in denial.

Bottom line, the southern leaders fearing the end of slavery if they remained in the Union which was growing in non-slave state numbers, seceded over the issue of slavery. But to hide the villainy they say it was about anything and everything except slavery, and the North was just as evil as the south. ROFLOL

 

Here we get a statement saying my quote did not come from the link. But here is the whole paragraph.

All the "facts" presented as evidence for Slavery being the cause of the Civil War have been denied. But the hallowed ground of Gettysburg cries out the truth.

It is for us, the living..."to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."

 

Now the number is 10 million ?

 

Bigger numbers are more impressive? No one would dare exaggerate that big a number? He just can't remember what he wrote last?

Pick one. None of them are plausible anyway.

 

How many slaves were transported from Africa?

 

Folks, slavery caused the civil war, with the north trying to end it, and the south trying to preserve it. But slavery was like the holocaust, with its deniers. Those of the south to this day are unwilling to man up and plead guilty to trying to preserve slavery, which is to say beatings, abuse, rape, castration, and murder. Where it was against the law to teach slaves to read, so they were prevented from reading the bible.

How many slaves were captive in the Seceding states? About 3 million. Had they been beaten. Yes, but do we know all 3 million had been beaten? No. But it is likely that a great many had been beaten, and left with scared backs.

How many had been chained? All who were first generation slaves brought in ships. Do we know that all had been chained? No, but it is likely that a great many had been chained.

Do we know all the teenage girls were abused? No, but it is likely a great many were sexually abused and raped.

Today we have some people who deny that the Holocaust, that 6 million Jews were beaten, chained, abused, and murdered. They would say how many Jews were chained? Today we have some people who deny that Abortion murders millions of children. They say abortion is simply a form of women's health care.

The deniers of the south pick and pick at details, no evidence, your numbers are questionable, and on and on, as they run from the monstrosity of slavery imposed by southerns on 3 million slaves. The north wanted to end it, just as today, Christians want to end abortion as a form of birth control.

 

UH those of the south have no need to plead guilty to anything as no one alive has owned a slave. Stupid comments like that are what happens when you invest far too much emotion in such a silly issue. You over play your hand. And not one single person has denied slavery.

 

We aren't even discussing the same thing here.

I know I said I'd "bow out" but I've got to say, this comment is a clear indication that you haven't read what anyone else on this thread has said, you don't care about any of the proofs we've posted for our arguments, and your emotionalism has overruled your intellect in perpetuating this "Dead Horse" discussion.

No one denies the evils of slavery. Time and time and yet time again, we have agreed with you that 1) it is evil, and 2) it was a cause of the Civil war, our caveat being that it was not the only, or even the primary, cause. You have ignored that, attempting as nearly as one can do on a message board to "talk over us" and make us hear you as though that will prove your point. It hasn't, it doesn't and it won't.

You exaggerate beyond reason. For example, slavery like the Holocaust? Let me ask you, do you think that a man back in the 19th Century who made a $500 investment in a slave -- the equivalent of $15,151 in today's dollars -- would beat him/her unmercifully, cripple him/her, kill him/her? You're not using reason, you're believing the same kind of hypocrisy that the abolitionists of the North used in touting Harriet Beecher Stowe's Uncle Tom's Cabin in 1852 to stir up hatred for the South in their campaign against slavery. I say "hypocrisy" because the abolitionists had no more feeling for the black man, woman and child than did their Southern neighbors, no more than Lincoln did, whom I remind you, was a "racist" -- but then everyone in the U.S. in the early to mid 19th Century was a racist, everyone believing the black "race" was inferior to the white "race."

The "facts" in Stowe's book were utter nonsense, completely untrue, totally fabricated. Yes, slaves were abused. Their very lot in life was abuse. They had no freedom, no ability to get educated (though some did anyway), and were often separated -- husband from wife, mother from child, father from son -- when an owner chose to sell them. Yes, there was violence, particularly when an escaped slave was recaptured.

However, your depiction is exactly as Stowe would have wanted it, portraying all slave owners as evil, heartless, cruel Simon Legrees. The truth is, there might have been a handful of Simon Legrees in the South, but with slaves being essentially "investments" -- a cruelty in itself -- it is no more likely a slave was going to be physically mistreated than it is that one of today's farmers is going to run his big John Deere combine into a ravine because it isn't working properly. What you have spoken here is utter nonsensical emotionalism. You need to learn the facts.

 

Wasn't it Fuchs that gave them the entire drawing set of the Plutonium Bomb? It was that set of drawings that gave them their first bomb. It was identical to ours.

 

Hi Thisnumbersdisconnected,

1) You do not know what I have read and what I have skipped. For you to claim you are a mind reader is typical of twaddlers.

2) You have not provided any proofs that slavery was not the cause of the civil war. Some have selectively quoted Lincoln, but I provided the quotes that demonstrate Lincoln opposed slavery.

3) Lots of people on both sides decided to go to War. Were they all in agreement as to the reason for war? Nope. But the primary cause was slavery, as shown in their statements of secession. They wanted to continue slavery and those in the North who elected Lincoln wanted to prevent its spread.

4) It is not an exaggeration to say Slavery was like the Holocaust, with millions of a particular race (black Africans) being put in the holds of ships, like Jews in box cars, and up to 50% dying before they ever enjoyed the kindness of their eventual slave masters.

5) And more "the north is just as bad" baloney. The South seceded, the south fired on Fort Sumter, and the south kept 3 million slaves. The issue is not that both sides were made up of wretched sinners. The issue is the cause of the civil war, with its hundreds of thousands of American's killed.

6) Yes, my view is that all slave owners (including Washington and Jefferson) were evil, heartless and cruel. Now they had justified their actions (I am no worse than those other folks) and so forth, but each and every one of them flunked the do unto others as you would have them do unto you test.

7) One of us does need to learn the facts.

"When Douglass was hired out to William Freeland, he taught other slaves on the plantation to read the New Testament at a weekly Sunday school. As word spread, the interest among slaves in learning to read was so great that in any week, more than 40 slaves would attend lessons.

n 1833, Thomas Auld took Douglass back from Hugh after a dispute ("[a]s a means of punishing Hugh," Douglass wrote). Dissatisfied with Douglass, Thomas Auld sent him to work for Edward Covey, a poor farmer who had a reputation as a "slave-breaker." He whipped Douglass regularly. The sixteen-year-old Douglass was nearly broken psychologically by his ordeal under Covey, but he finally rebelled against the beatings and fought back." ​

 

The economics of slavery was probably the primary driving point that led to the civil war. Other issues, such as states rights, whether new states would be slave states or free states. The Kansas-Nebraska Act inflamed many. Of note, Lincoln spoke against this bill and thus is on record as opposing slavery. The Dred Scott case also increased tensions between pro-slavery and anti-slavery folk.

Slavery ... the slave economy was the driving force leading to the War Between the States.