Featured Most Evil Person in American History

Drop the other shoe then....they were Calvinists.

 

The Schultz Guy!

 

That is one more thing me and Calvin did not agree on!

 

Listen.....my people are all Pennsylvania coal miners and staunch Baptists and Methodist and Later Congregationalists ....and all Calvinists from the old sod.

I don't want to hear this dung about Yankees. These people, and my Catholic side broke their backs trying to live in this country and you Southerners equate them to the ruthless northern businessmen, and bankers that oppressed them. Thats bigotry as evil as anything one can become...akind of reverse discrimination and I resent it.

Been reading allot of drivel about slavery and the rights of man etc. Lot of dung. That war was fought for money...that's all. The South was too prosperous. The North was in an industrial panic. Simple as that.

 

Folks, note how the deniers change the subject and run from the statement of the Confederate Vice President, who said slavery was the cause underpinning all the other so called causes.

On and on they go, spilling drivel here and twaddle there. and just like the Holocaust deniers, say pay no attention to the history written by the victors.

Confederate Vice President

 

Absolutely, this is a man everyone can agree on! Shut down the thread, remove it from sight, and let's all ...

... talk about something ELSE!!!

 

Listen Brother,

I believe your anger is unwarranted. I suspect many would agree with your remarks about the war and money but only the big land owners in the South were prosperous!

The vast majority of people in the South did not own slaves. Someone posted on this thread that only 6% of the people owned slaves. The rest of the folks had to do their own work. I suspect that many if not most were looked down on by the slave owners. [The social structure in the South was much like that in merrie old England, the poor and the rich. But really the North, though industrialized was no different at that time.]

Van has continuously portrayed every Southerner as purveyors of

No one on this thread has said anything about the hard working people of the North. I suspect they were much like the hard working people of the South. That is one of the great tragedies of the war. However, it is a fact that the first race riot in this country was in New York City in response to the draft. Apparently the hard working people in the North did not want to fight in Lincoln's war.

I have stated on this thread that there is nothing in the Constitution prohibited a Sovereign State from seceding from the Union. It is a fact that most of the Military leaders in the Confederacy were members of the US Army but their allegiance to their State was greater than their allegiance to the Union. We must remember that the Union was only about 80 years old at that time and was constituted as a voluntary union of Sovereign States. If we are upset at the dictatorship of the Federal Government now, imagine what it was like 150 years ago.

It is a fact that Lincoln wanted to preserve the Union and went to war to do so. [I have stated elsewhere on this thread that I am glad the Union was preserved. Lincoln and the rabid abolitionists just went about it the wrong way.] It is a fact that Lincoln and the North invaded the Sovereign Southern states and the War of Northern Aggression began. It is a fact that the brutality of Sherman in his march through the South was the source of continued hatred of the North. That hatred was exacerbated by the "carpetbaggers" and the ill treatment of the South following the War. It was similar treatment of Germany after WWI that sowed the seeds of WWII.

I do not know whether the posts by "agedman" were tongue in cheek or not. From my perspective I believe that most of what he said was true. A Sovereign people do not like to be invaded and brutalized. I do know that my remarks about Mr. Carrier and air conditioning were tongue in cheek though it is true that if it were not for air conditioning we would see fewer Yankees moving South.

 

Correction......nobody likes being brutalized....however that happens (a byproduct) of war. If my state of NJ were to wake up and suddenly become a red state & evoke their constitutional right to leave the United State's, I would fully expect pushback by the system of plutocracy ....after all we arent a true democracy. There would undoubtedly be a militia with weapons and id fully expect violent retaliation by the Union. To expect gentlemanly behavior is then & now quite rediculious.

Lastly....the use of the term "Yankee " is being used as a pejorative & is demeaning to northerners.

 

I indicated in my response to you some of the reasons for the hatred of the South toward the North. I was raised in the mountains of Southwest Virginia where there was very little animosity toward the North. There were a number of reasons for this. [In fact when I went to Navy boot camp I was surprised at the disdain those from the Northeast had for Southerners. I had the opportunity to show they were not as smart as they believed.] However in the Southern states like SC and Georgia and all further south the hatred was really there. I came to SC in 1960 and it still existed; perhaps not among those who served in WWII but certainly among the previous generation. That being said Yankee is milder than what it was years ago. Then it D**n Yankee.

[This is a true story EWF. During the 80's my oldest daughter worked for a large bank in Charlotte, NC which is the financial center for the South. Some would consider it a cosmopolitan city. An insurance company was going to move some people from Connecticut to Charlotte. A TV station interviewed some of these people. They indicated their view of Charlotte was typified by "The Dukes of Hazard". One can only guess at the bias, or is it ignorance, of these people!]

 

I agree and it has only gotten worse. There was the Great Society of LBJ with Medicare and his War on Poverty and now Obamacare and his war on medicine and jobs.

It is interesting to note that the money spent on the War on Poverty is roughly equivalent to our national debt.

 

Slavery caused the civil war, and even the Confederate Vice President said so.

“The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating
questions relating to our peculiar institution African slavery as it
exists amongst us, the proper status of the negro in our form of
civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and
present revolution. Jefferson in his forecast, had anticipated this, as
the ‘rock upon which the old Union would split.’ He was right. What
was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact."

The north elected Lincoln because of the issue of slavery.
The south seceded after Lincoln was elected over slavery.
The south fired on Fort Sumter over slavery.

 

Is the issue who freed the slaves? Nope, so a bunny trail.

Who were the most evil leaders in American history is the topic. And the southern leaders who led us into war over slavery rank up there as among the most evil.

 

And Lincoln leads the list because he started the War of Northern Aggression, the bloodiest war in US history! You can whine and cry about evil slave owners all you want if it makes you happy Van but that does not change the Facts. If you want to see evil read the history of the Cholera epidemics in NYC!

 

Hi Old. I've been thinking about the start of the war since someone mentioned Harpers Ferry and John Brown.

I'd say, that using that as a reference point, the war started with the violence, murders and misdeeds committed in Kansas. It has been called by various names; Bleeding Kansas; Bloody Kansas; the Border War, 1854 and 1861. It was not restricted to Kansas, but spilled over the boarder into Missouri. In a way it was a proxy war between anti-slavery forces in the North and pro-slavery forces in the South.

John Brown was involved and lead forces at the Battle of Black Jack and the Battle of Osawatomie.

My guess is that most folk on the BB and in our society in general know very little about "Bleeding Kansas"

 

LOL..... I remember a vacation to Myrtle Beach maybe 20 yrs ago now. I drove a new van with my baby son strapped in the back safety seat. The next day I went over to the hotel desk & casually inquired were the golf equipment stores were located. Instead of getting directions, the guy at the desk just glared at me like he wanted to kill me. I dont know why, I didnt insult the guy ..... just cracked it up to the guy being a jerk. But I still remember thinking, "There is Southern hospitality for you."

Finally, from Wiki:

Outside the United States, "Yank" is used informally to refer to any American, including Southerners.

 

:applause::laugh::applause::laugh:

Actually this thread has been very educational. i had to go back and read things I had forgotten. Lot of fun and some animosity!

 

I've heard us called a few things I cannot post on the board.

In WW II I believe all GIs called themselves Yank.

 

The statement that "Kilroy was here" was also popular; in fact, it apparently was used as a code word even prior to the United States' "official" entry in World War II in December, 1941.