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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by evangelist6589, Dec 18, 2013.

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  1. evangelist6589

    evangelist6589 Well-Known Member
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    At the time in my IFB days no Reformed could change me as the only the HS did that. In the same way no one can change my wife as its a job of the HS. Do you not believe this?
     
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    To be charitable, you have not read too widely.
     
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    Be cautious people. Winman is teaching some serious error in this post. First he is teaching the Ransom to Satan Atonement view which states that God had to pay Satan to purchase man's freedom, and second he is teaching a dualism between God and Satan which is false. Satan is a being and not God, and he cannot equally battle God. He only does what God allows him, and has no power other than what God has allowed him.

     
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    :applause::applause::applause:
     
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    I agree with you, however how can I respect teachers in the IFB movement whom do not preach on SIN, and repentance, but instead preach a "God has a wonderful plan for your life" hook and sinker message at the Christmas service? The pastor did not mention sin, repentance, the Holiness of God, hell, judgment, or anything of the sort. Just a "God has a wonderful plan for your life" and then the alter call which led people to a prayer, but what did they repent from?? Why did they come to Christ? They came to better their life, not because they knew they were doomed to spend eternal judgment apartment from God. I cannot respect such sermons in such churches.
     
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    Are you certain? Perhaps he has, and this is the conclusion he has come to?
     
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    Satan cannot battle God? Have you ever actually read the Bible?

    Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
    8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
    9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

    Dude, you need to quit reading books that are leading you into serious error and start reading the Bible. You don't know what you are talking about.

    Do you see it says "the dragon fought, and his angels"? And then it tells us this dragon is the Devil, and Satan?

    You are clueless.
     
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    Everything which does not meet with your approval is by default an anti-cal attack. Consider your posts too.
     
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    What doctrine has Andy Stanley led you to believe in? What theology books if any have you read since you have been in that church?
     
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    Thank you for pointing that out Don. To add, the preacher often is disparaging toward anything arminian.
     
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    Well he can battle God, however his power is very limited and as I mentioned he only does what God allows him. If God allows him to inspire Adam Lanza to murder innocent children then God has allowed this. If God allows him to battle the church and inspire the Charismatic movement, then God has allowed this. However he DOES NOTHING apart from God's power and sovereignty. You teach that God and Satan are co-equals but this is false.

    PS- I corrected the word phrasing error in the OP. Satan can indeed battle God, but only if God allows it.
     
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    I suggest you become a little like Fox News (Fair and Balanced) Get her some Andy Stanley sermons to listen to. Let her decide where theologically she wants to be.
     
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    Now you are agreeing with me. :rolleyes:

    You need to quit reading books FULL OF ERROR. Leave your poor wife alone, she is probably far closer to the truth than you are.

    Satan is a powerful angel, he can do miracles. He cannot beat God of course, but he can give God a real battle. And Satan can deceive many persons and cause them to go to hell. This is how Satan hurts God, by causing people to be lost. He cannot directly harm God, so this is what he does.

    Satan is not God's servant, whoever taught you that has taught you pure error.
     
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    Andy Stanley????? No we need good theology served in a healthy diet of meat & vegetables. One cannot survive on candy based sermons such as ones by Andy Stanley. A good diet consists of good sermons from John MacArthur and Grace to You associated preachers.
     
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    One cannot argue or debate with WinMan. He is not here to debate but to air his opinions & he has found a platform to do that here on the BB.
     
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    You are teaching pure error. Satan is God's enemy, his adversary. Satan cannot harm God, but Satan can hurt God by causing people to be lost.

    You are the last person that should be telling someone else what to believe. Put down those books and read the Bible.
     
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    I think you owe WM an apology for this, he has never suggested God and Satan are co-equals.
     
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    I am not sure you would know a good sermon or homily if you actually paid attention and listened to it.
     
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    This thread has gotten completely OT.
     
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    No it hasn't. You said you were trying to move your wife toward Reformed theology, and I am pointing out the serious errors in your theology.
     
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