Featured Speaking in Tongues ... Does YOUR Church Allow it?

Agreed. For instance the gift of prophecy is, at this point, the ability to teach God's written Word.
Hence the admonition to "covet to prophesy", and "all prophesy".

 

you can redine that term and gift, but in the context of acys, was when people spoke infallible revelation from God as a NT Apsotle/prophet, due to there being no completed canon yet!

same way for tongues, as no need to have them continue, due to their puropose being fulfilled!

 

Joe 2:28
28 And it shall come to pass afterward,
that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh;
and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
your old men shall dream dreams,
your young men shall see visions:

Act 2:16-17
16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; 17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh:and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:


1Co 14:31-37
31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches:for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home:for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? 37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

So your 'daughters prophesying' was the revealing of the canon?

Hahahahahahahahaaaaaaaa.
Not!
We prophesy when we preach the revealed canon, now.

 

peter said that pentacost FULFILLED in their hearing those prophecies of Joel, and the last days in NT was time since ascension, as we have been in the 'last days" some 2000 years now!

 

That is correct--except it may not be in the native religion per se, but in the culture or legends.

 

So how was daughters prophesying fulfilled?

 

I said " if" on purpose. I do not presume to know you.

I was speaking a principle, and testifying of that which I have seen and heard.

Here is another principle:
Bible tongues, are heard in the language that the hearer was born in, and a sign unto the lost, not the saved.
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1Co 14:22
22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not:but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

Deviation from this, makes one a suspect of divination, of being a medium for devils.

Pray the Father in the language you were born in, sing in the language that your ears understand, or else how do you know if the spirits are tricking you? Have they no guile?
Don't trust the uncertain sound, it cant be judged.

1Co 14:16
16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?

See, this is practical. How does anyone know that the prayer is done, or what was said, so that they can say "amen" to it?

And a reminder:

1Co 14:10
10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.

This is what tongues meant to Paul. The definition was limited.

 

On the next day we left and came to Caesarea, and entering the house of Philip the evangelist, who was one of the seven, we stayed with him. 9Now this man had four virgin daughters who were prophetesses. 10As we were staying there for some days, a prophet named Agabus came down from Judea.…
acts 21:8-10 Esv

 

That's totally besides the point, brother. If God wanted us all to make lemon juice from oranges picked from an apple tree he could.

The question is not about "What COULD God do?"

The question is, "What did God SAY?"

He speaks in His Word and in his word we never see this foolishness of gibberish. It was languages. That's what everybody knew before the birth of this backwards mess. Read any commentary written before the Azusa Street Revival and you'll see that. This gibberish mess people spew out into the air while in a state of mindless ecstacy is TOTALLY unbiblical. "Tongues" in the Bible WERE LANGUAGES. I say again. Tongues in the Bible were LANGUAGES. LANGUAGES. Real, languages that men spake.

Also, in His Word we very easily see that the pattern of miracles is that they pop on the scene for a short while and then go away. Again, nobody expects to see the local Pentecostal preacher part the Red Sea. They figure that that is a miracle for a specific people at a specific time for a specific purpose. But when it comes to "tongues" their brains ooze out their ears and they think that all of the sudden, FOR NO APPARENT REASON, God has made miracles PERMANENT. There's NO precedent for that in the Bible, but... WHO CARES? Who cares what the BIBLE shows??? Somebody jumped up and shouted some nonsense at church last night and I felt something! That must be the HOLY GHOST!!!

And we don't want to let the Bible get in the way of feelings we like!!!

 

RD2,do you also do your "tongues" in church services or just privately?

 

Right. This was years after the Day of Pentecost, and those girls' prophecies weren't made part of the canon.

 

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This text does not speak of any kind of tongue at all.You and others appeal to it...but alaleo....means...NOT ABLE TO BE SPOKEN.....NOT UTTERABLE. So you trying to match it to the foolish rhyming noises and chanting have nothing to do with sign gifts....at all.

On judgement day all liars perish;

14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.


To boast of false gifts is a lie.To claim out of body experiences is a lie,prophecy,visions etc....there have always been such claims:
16 Thus saith the Lord of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the Lord.

foolishness is foolishness regardless if you believe you are practicing it.

Annanis and Sappharia found out what the Spirit thought about falsehood.

This mistaken idea does not change scripture.By the way...every phoney on TBN uses the "God in the box" excuse as to why we who reject this error and attack on scripture are they say somehow confining God.

This is the flesh not the Spirit.

This is a fantasy world where you construct in your mind what you think is going on...with a wrong Idea on rom8

you have no basis for it...so you need to question it.

Dude....you even call it a "questionable gift":laugh:

 

RD2 ...

Brother, will due respect, you knew when you started this poll thread that most would not accept your view. You knew that from having it rejected in the past.

Therefore, my question to you is simple: Why did you bring it back to the board yet again, only to be angered when the same thing happened as before?

Chuck Swindoll said once, "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and over again, expecting a different result."

No offense, I do not believe you are "insane." But surely you couldn't have expected more than you have received in the past, and now you have spoken angry words to a fellow member, and brother. You might want to consider that, as it is said lovingly and gently.

 

That has NOTHING to do with tongues. Tongues is not a million miles from that context.

The idea in context there is that we are so weak we don't even know how to pray, but fret not, when we don't have the words or we don't have the right words- the Spirit of God prays for us.

To read tongues into that is a tremendous eisegetical error. Tremendous.

Well, Bud, if I'm right- and I am because I have Bible for it- the ones on judgment day who are going to have a bad time on this issue are the ones who misrepresent the Spirit of God by saying that he says things that he has never said, that he does things that he never has done. These people have cheapened the work of the Holy Spirit. They have reduced it to some carnal, emotional ecstasy. The work of the Spirit is far nobler and grander than the madness that goes on in these churches.

Yea, but brother here is how this conversation is going. I am giving you Bible facts which you are ignoring. You are exalting this emotional stuff without supporting it biblically (except when you prooftext with a text out of context).

It does not matter what you believe- it matters what IS. There are Muslims and Buddhists who speak in gibberish too. Many of them think it is prayer language. Ecstatic languages existed a long time before Pentecost in the demonic mystery religions.

They believe in it too. They "feel" something too. Jamie Coots FELT that God wanted him to take up serpents. Who cares what you or me or ANYBODY "feels." Better do away with such nonsense and go by what God SAYS.

That's what matters. And if you can't argue out of what God says any better than you have thus far, you ought to stop this stuff POST HASTE.

Again, it does not matter what you believe. It matters what God SAYS.

"sense, feel, think, believe..." These are your arguments for it. They are not good arguments. Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Satan Worshipers, and all kinds of other religious people "sense, feel, think, believe" all kinds of nonsense.

The LAST thing... I mean the DEAD LEVEL LAST THING IN THIS UNIVERSE you ought to follow is your feelings.

Jeremiah said, "The heart is desperately wicked DECEITFUL ABOVE ALL THINGS..."

Your heart is more deceitful than SATAN.

The LAST thing you ought to put ANY confidence in is your heart. Listen to SATAN before you listen to your feelings. You'd LITERALLY be better off according to the Bible. The heart is "deceitful above ALL THINGS."

"believe"

You could not be more dead wrong. The Bible says the dead level opposite. The Bible... that matters to you, right? The Word of God. It means infinitely more than what you "feel", right?

The BIBLE says, "TRY the spirits whether they BE of God."

The reason you believe this stuff is the same reason all charismatics believe it. You put more confidence in your carnal, deceitful, human feelings and experiences than you do the Word of God.

And calling it the work of the Spirit when the Holy Spirit may oppose it vehemently is something I'd caution you about. That is something you will likely regret.

 

No Bible for such a notion. None. "moving in the spirit" is Charismatic gobbly gook. It is new, pentecostal jargon that, like sewage sloshing out of a tanker, has spilled out onto Baptist life.

RD2, would just CONSIDER... just CONSIDER that you have no bible for this stuff?

Will you not even CONSIDER that this is something totally unbiblical?

It is something that did not exist before 150 years ago. Exceptions are a few cults that popped up for a brief span here and there throughout two thousand years of church history. Other than that- NOBODY- NOBODY practiced this stuff.

Will you not even CONSIDER that??? Does that mean NOTHING... NOTHING to you??