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Why is lordship Salvation so hard for many to understand?

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evangelist6589

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Many do not understand LS and are intimidated to studying the matter in depth. Afraid to read a book and look up all the verses. Fear and an unwillingness to read and study may be pride. I told a New Age author whom wrote me and I said I would read her book if she read Invasion of other gods and I did not hear a reply. I have challenged free grace advocates that I would read absolutely Free if they read a good book on LS but I do not usually hear back. I am so saddened by the actions of people.

Yes LS is not easy but to me having an open mind it seems a very clear doctrine.
 

Deacon

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It's not so hard to understand.

I percieve the Lordship message as a performance gospel.

I'm not sure reading Absolutely Free by Frank Zappa is going to help you understand the Free Grace stance. :tongue3:

Rob
 
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evangelist6589

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It's not so hard to understand.

I percieve the Lordship message as a performance gospel.

I'm not sure reading Absolutely Free by Frank Zappa is going to help you understand the Free Grace stance. :tongue3:

Rob


The arrogance of this post. Have you actually studied and read a book looking up the verses?
 

evangelist6589

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Reading a book by an Arminian author and even he recognizes a problem yet claims there are saved Christians. A Newsweek survey indicated that 68% of Christians think one can get to heaven without Christ. I believe this survey except these are not Christians but false believers. The Arminian is wrong for calling them disobedient Christians.
 

preacher4truth

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To answer the op even Alice in Chains understands it well:

'Clear all your sins, get born again, just repeat a couple lines...yeah'.

Even this group sees the error of easy believism. From their song 'Get Born Again'.
 

Scarlett O.

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Many do not understand LS and are intimidated to studying the matter in depth. Afraid to read a book and look up all the verses. Fear and an unwillingness to read and study may be pride.

I understand it. I'm not intimidated by learning new things or studying deeply. I'm not afraid or unwilling to learn something new.

I think you have me on ignore, if you do - c'est la vie.

Here's my understanding of it and why I have to reject it. If I am wrong about what Lordship Salvation is, then feel free to correct me.

LS requires the person to forsake sin and change their ways in order to BE saved. I don't believe that happens until one IS saved.

Lordship, to me, is imperative - but it's part of one's sanctification and spiritual maturing.
 

evangelist6589

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I understand it. I'm not intimidated by learning new things or studying deeply. I'm not afraid or unwilling to learn something new.

I think you have me on ignore, if you do - c'est la vie.

Here's my understanding of it and why I have to reject it. If I am wrong about what Lordship Salvation is, then feel free to correct me.

LS requires the person to forsake sin and change their ways in order to BE saved. I don't believe that happens until one IS saved.

Lordship, to me, is imperative - but it's part of one's sanctification and spiritual maturing.

I do not place people on ignore whom have a different view than me. I am not afraid of other views nor other people. I only place them on ignore if they abuse me.

No LS does not require that as LS is a commitment to Christ as Lord and submission to his lordship. But LS advocates know that man will never be perfect and will indeed sin.
 

ShagNappy

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I listen very much to them! I just have not heard good one.

That's alright... you every argument is summed up in this.... "read everything BUT the Bible 'cuz I said so! You will be as smart as me and will then be a real Christian..." You wouldn't know a good argument if it bit you.
 

evangelist6589

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That's alright... you every argument is summed up in this.... "read everything BUT the Bible 'cuz I said so! You will be as smart as me and will then be a real Christian..." You wouldn't know a good argument if it bit you.

Should I post a YouTube video flash by of my Bible? Its highlighted all the way up and down. I read it often!!
 

Deacon

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Many do not understand LS and are intimidated to studying the matter in depth. Afraid to read a book and look up all the verses. Fear and an unwillingness to read and study may be pride. I told a New Age author whom wrote me and I said I would read her book if she read Invasion of other gods and I did not hear a reply. I have challenged free grace advocates that I would read absolutely Free if they read a good book on LS but I do not usually hear back. I am so saddened by the actions of people.

Yes LS is not easy but to me having an open mind it seems a very clear doctrine.
Lordship Salvation is a nuanced doctrinal position that flows from a Calvinistic theology (I can't believe I said the "C" word in this thread before you! :tongue3: )

I'd challenge you to read a better explanation of the free grace position, "Free Grace Soteriology" by David R. Anderson [LINK].

I wouldn't bother reading Hodge's book. His works aren't as clear as they could be and he is rather extreme in his views, the very reason why McArthur refers to his works so much.

[G]reat essential agreement exists between proponents and opponents of lordship salvation. Both sides agree that regeneration, or the impartation of eternal life by the Holy Spirit to a sinner, is required for salvation. Both sides agree that regeneration produces a positional change: a Father-child relationship is established between God and the believing sinner. Both sides also agree that regeneration produces a constitutional change: a person receives the Holy Spirit and eternal life, which is God’s quality of life placed within his soul. This constitutional change provides the possibility and the power for a superb transformation of character and conduct. Both sides agree that such transformation is expected, desired, demanded, and possible for the believer. Both sides also agree that Christians can sin, and sin severely.
Both sides agree that sin in a believer is serious and brings on him or her the convicting work of the Holy Spirit and should result in confrontation and discipline by the church. And both sides agree that such disobedience can last for some period of time in a believer.… The truth is, lordship salvation does not teach that every professing Christian who sins is not a true believer. Likewise, free grace teachers do not affirm the salvation of everyone who claims to be a Christian.
Undoubtedly, much of Christian history has taught that regeneration will produce some outward and visible change and that no change whatsoever may be evidence of a lack of true regeneration. But free grace teachers teach the same thing. The points of disagreement go back to the nature of faith and assurance. What the free grace position simply will not allow is that the change produced by regeneration is the grounds of or the evidence for assurance of genuine salvation. (Thomas G. Lewellen, “Has Lordship Salvation Been Taught Throughout Church History?” 65.)
As quoted by David R. Anderson, (2012). Free Grace Soteriology. (Revised Edition., p. 250). Grace Theology Press.

Rob
 
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