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On many passages you could read 10 different commentaries and get 10 different opinions. On this one, well, I could easily be wrong. I'd have to research it more.

I tend to think situations where nice formal wear is called for is a little different. I prefer wearing t-shirts and jeans, but that would hecka outta place at any formal event.

 

Nobody is dehumanizing the men. Lust is a problem with men in the church and out of the church. And that problem is not helped by women dressing immodestly.

The men should own their lust. ANd the women should own the fact that they are dressing immodestly.

 

Is that judgment we see coming from a brother in Christ? Surely not ...

... and the part of your post that recounts your visual access appears to be bragging. And yet you accuse others.

 

The Scripture is talking about how women dress PERIOD. There's no need to try and confuse the issue of what Scripture says. It deals specifically with modesty.

 

It surely is righteous judgment you see coming from a Brother in Christ. As I said to another, it can appear as whatever you like. You're free to see what you see. I see differently.

And I say again to the moderators, I do wonder why no one ever says anything when I'm constantly addressed with snide comments?

 

And has modesty always had the meaning we've given it in this day and age? What if our modern definition of the word modesty is based off the misinterpretation of that verse? It may not be, but I have wondered this more than once.

 

I'll be honest here, unlike others here. I'm a man, I have checked out women, I'm not so insecure as to be afraid to admit it or act like it will never happen again.

So what is interesting with that and your statement in mind, is that quite awhile back, I saw an incredibly gorgeous 20-something AMISH girl. Yes, she had the whole head covering and everything on. Super cute, and the long traditional attire simply couldn't hide the fact that she had a near perfect frame. It was hard to look away to be honest, especially considering the situation, just never would have ever expected that.

And here you are blaming the women for it? Are you going to look down on them for having nice genetics too? Maybe they should all start guzzling a six-pack of Coke every day so they'll be too fat? Some women look nice no matter what they wear, and men will notice. Blaming them somehow or another because you or someone else did notice is quite ridiculous and is literally on the same level as men in Muslim countries, that is exactly what they do.

 

What meaning are you giving to modesty other than what it is? We're starting to enter that phase of arguing about words that God says should not take place.

You know what is modest and immodest as well as I know it. Modesty means the same thing it meant when Scripture first mentioned it. :laugh:

 

The Greek kosmios means "orderly, decorus ..." and yes, "modest." Timothy was in Ephesus. "Fashion" among Greek women often meant baring a breast in public. Jewish tradition, from which Paul came, did not insist on burqa-like clothing. The female form was not considered "sinful" nor did elegant clothing that proved a woman to be a woman be considered "immoral." I believe your own accusation ...

... accuses you more than anyone else here, if your assumption were true for the majority. It isn't. My finding is that the stricter moral judgments come from one's own moral weakness.

 

Huh? Where have I blamed the women for your lust? I just said a couple of posts ago that the men should own their lust. Was the Amish girl exposing something she should not have been.

As I doubt you saw anything through her attire, YOU focused on her frame because that's just one of those things that men do that allow our minds to go there.

Oh I said that the men will notice. It's been others saying it's not that much of a problem. But if you can do all that focusing on her frame with someone who is pretty much covered, imagine what guys often do when they aren't so covered?

Where have I blamed them for your lust?

I blame them righteously for being a stumbling block if they are dressing immodestly. Had the Amish girl been running around in a revealing form fitting outfit, I would have righteously blamed her fro being a stumbling block and for dressing immodestly.

 

And my finding is the ones who say the stricter moral judgments come from one's own moral weaknesses are generally using that as a cover for their moral weakness.

 

The end result would have been no different whatsoever. :thumbsup:

 

I don't know about before, but ...

... you did so in the very post you denied doing it.

Yeah, whatever. It's a pity that between the two of us, only one is licensed to make any assessment whatsoever, and that ain't you.

 

Why do you play around with that thing.

 

As usual your self-aggrandizement doesn't know what it's talking about as you don't have a clue what I'm licensed to do.

And I submit again to the moderators just another of the snide remarks towards me that continue to be allowed to go unchecked.

 

I am okay with it.

 

But I probably wouldn't wear one, because for me it could be dangerous.

 

The devil made me do it?

 

The meaning the verse implied when it gave examples.
I was asking a legitimate question. If one want to disprove what my question suggested, the logical thing would be to look up the original Greek in a lexicon and see what meanings the word in it's original language carried.
Neither am I saying that the verse does not or cannot apply to provactive clothing. I was upfront--or tried to be--about this being a suggestion, something to think about, rather than something I necessarily believe.

As I've said multiple times, I'm not saying anything goes. I don't think anyone else is, either.
What I am saying is that there are some things done will consider immodest that others will not, even among those of like mind.
In my family growing up, pants on women were either immodest or guilty of being men's clothing. I've heard both arguments.
My family considered even one piece bathing suits immodest and I grew up going to swimming lessons and the pool in a t-shirt and old pants. To this day I still wear a t-shirt and shorts when swimming--though a big part of that is being self conscious about my weight.

As a general rule I go around in loose pants and an oversize t-shirt. I own few shorts and all of them are about knee length. The first time I wore a shirt that went below my neckline was two years ago, and it made me uncomfortable and self conscious at first. And I don't think anyone would call this shirt immodest, not even my parents. My semiformal wear isn't much different, though the shirts aren't as baggy and are obviously nicer than t-shirts. I don't like wearing dresses, but I have a few for formal occasions. They all go down past my knees and the neckline is very high.
When going to camp last year, having still been part of the youth group at the time, the youth leader commented that he wouldn't have to worry about me disobeying the camp's strict policies on clothing. (Which were very conservative, but some of what was allowed would still have been a no-no to my parents.)

I do have and believe in standards. But personally I don't consider a strapless dress to be immodest, necessarily.
My mom and I disagree on shorts length. I'd be fine with mid-thigh shirts. To her, anything above the knee is pushing it. In fact when my little brother was wearing mid-thigh shorts my dad called it nudity. (And hey, long as we live with our parents we live by their rules. I respect that.)
I know someone on another forum who doesn't let her daughters wear t-shirts with graphics over the breast area. Well, that's pretty much every graphic tee in existence. I'm wearing one right now.
My dad still believed when he died that women shouldn't wear pants. He put up with it when I began wearing them, though. When I went to visit my aunt last year she expressed surprise that I was allowed to wear pants. (Not in a judgmental way, though she believes women belong in dresses as well.)

There are simply going to be different viewpoints on these and other things, especially since scripture doesn't put out exact guidelines. What can be inferred from it on that subject is to dress in ways that don't attract attention in the wrong way. But this can vary from culture to culture. What one considers "sexy" is heavily influenced by their culture, and can and does vary on the individual level as well. Not every culture puts the sexual connotation on breasts that our's does, for example.

 

Yeah ....

the devil and the need to not let this THING get away with his continued attacks on fellow members that I respect and like, and feel are not due the scathing attacks the freely flow off his fingertips right before he hits the SEND button!