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Featured Poll to assist with CvA Defininitions

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by kyredneck, Jul 15, 2014.

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Are you agreeable with these definitions for CvA debate?

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  2. No

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  1. kyredneck

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    Synergism: the doctrine that the human will cooperates with the Holy Ghost in the work of regeneration.

    Monergism: the doctrine that the Holy Ghost acts independently of the human will in the work of regeneration.
     
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    To quote Dave Hester from 'Storage Wars'.....


    YUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUP!!!!!!!!
     
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    The problem with those definitions is that they focus on who is cooperating or not. That has nothing to do with who and why one gets the credit for salvation.
     
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    So, you don't fit into either one of the categories? From what I know of you I say you're firmly ensconced in the synergist camp.

    The intent is not to define 'who is cooperating or not' or 'why one gets the credit for salvation', it's to define at it's most basic root the initial difference between 'Cal' and 'non-Cal'. That's all.

    What is the first most basic disagreement between the two? I think it nails it quite concisely.
     
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    At it's most simplest roots meaning simplify beyond the five points of Arminius or Calvinism. Make it simpler.

    Is the definition of synergism too simple for you, does it need more explanation?
     
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    From dictionary.com:

    Synergism:
    the doctrine that the human will cooperates with the Holy Ghost in the work of regeneration.

    No other definition available that does not focus on "cooperation".
    And if you mean God alone gets credit even if man is active in his salvation then you'll have to revise Romans 8:29-30 that clearly shows God alone did all " these" things for His people.
     
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    And if we co-operated with our 'birth from above' then we co-operated with our physical birth...
     
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    So far we're up 3-0 Brothers Pinoy and KYR....

    Where I'm from, that's a skunk....:smilewinkgrin: :wavey:
     
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    Cooperation is not a necessary consideration.
     
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    'Cooperation' .i.e. 'free will' is the most basic necessary consideration in defining the differences between the two.

    You're a teacher of Israel and knowest not these things?
     
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    There's synergism and monergism. What other 'gism out there...if there are any others....is up for consideration??
     
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    Just wanted to proclaim my entrance into the '7,000' post club....

    That, and we're up 3-0 still....
     
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    Well, then.
    Explain how so ?
    Because either eternal salvation is passive to the sinner or it is not. Either God alone saved the sinner or not. No middle ground I see here.
     
    #13 pinoybaptist, Jul 15, 2014
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    I have a question for the PB brothers. Do you see regeneration and conversion as being the same thing ?
     
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    I am not a PB, but I see them as being seperated....regeneration leads to conversion...
     
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    There is no other gism. It is not needed. It matters not how man responds to the call of God with regards to salvation. How man responds is irrelevant with regards to giving credit for salvation. No matter how mn responds man cannot get the credit any more than a shovel gets the credit for digging the whole.


    He who has the power and authority to give it gets all the credit.
     
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    IMO, you showed a monergistic position....
     
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    What I believe is that God opens the heart and man can make a choice because of that. What I also believe is that man's choice is irrelevant to who gets the credit. Even though man is free to make s choice to choose Him or not to choose Him it is still all of God because 1.) God enables us to make that choice, and 2.) He who has the power and authority to give it gets the credit.
     
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    God enables us to say 'no' to Him?

    We already are able to do that in fallen state...
     
    #19 convicted1, Jul 15, 2014
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    That is synergism. Why won't you agree to that?
     
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