Repentance

[Revmitchell]

A list of sins, repenting of them, etc. is a works based salvation.

No one here on this board or anywhere else that advocates repentance of sin in salvation advocates what you have posted here.


When will people stop working to ententionally misrepresenting opposing views. Shame on you.

 

[DHK]

Repentance is repentance. Whether is is strictly in the context of belief in god or of sin or both it is still repentance. Thinking that the context somehow changes the nature of it from a proper act to God to works is absurd.

You need to study more about repentance. Here is a place to start:

McClintock and Strong Cyclopedia
Repentance

Repentance (נֹחִם, μετάνοια) signifies a change of the mind from a rebellious and disaffected state to that submission and thorough separation from iniquity by which converted sinners are distinguished (Mt 3:2-8).
Repentance is sometimes used generally for a mere change of sentiment, and an earnest wishing that something were undone that has been done. In a sense analogous to this, God himself is said to repent; but this can only be understood of his altering his conduct towards his creatures, either in the bestowing of good or infliction of evil — which change in the divine conduct is founded on a change in his creatures; and thus speaking after the manner of men, God is said to repent. In this generic sense also Esau "found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears;" that is, he could not move his father Isaac to repent of what he had done, or to recall the blessing from Jacob and confer it on himself (Heb 12:17; Ro 11:29; 2Co 7:10). There are various kinds of repentance, as

(1) a natural repentance, or what is merely the effect of natural conscience;
(2) a national repentance, such as the Jews in Babylon were called unto, to which temporal blessings were promised (Eze 18:30);
(3) an external repentance, or an outward humiliation for sin, as in the case of Ahab;
(4) a hypocritical repentance, as represented in Ephraim (Ho 7:16);
(5) a legal repentance, which is a mere work of the law and the effect of convictions of sin by it, which in time wear off and come to nothing;
(6) an evangelical repentance, which consists in conviction of sin, accompanied by sorrow for it, confession of it, hatred to it, and renunciation of it.
A legal and an evangelical repentance are distinguished thus:

1. A legal repentance flows only from a sense of danger and fear of wrath, but an evangelical repentance produces a true mourning for sin and an earnest desire of deliverance from it.
2. A legal repentance flows from unbelief, but evangelical is always the fruit and consequence of a saving faith.
3. A legal repentance consists of an aversion to God and to his holy law, but an evangelical flows from love to both.
4. A legal repentance ordinarily flows from discouragement and despondency, but evangelical from encouraging hope.
5. A legal repentance is temporary, but evangelical is the daily exercise of the true Christian.
6. A legal repentance does at most produce only a partial and external reformation, but an evangelical is a total change of heart and life.
The author as well as object of true repentance is God (Ac 5:31).
The subjects of it are sinners, since none but those who have sinned can repent.
The means of repentance is the Word and the ministers of it; yet sometimes private consideration, sanctified afflictions, conversation, etc., have been the instruments of repentance.
The blessings connected with repentance are pardon, peace, and everlasting life (11:18).
The time of repentance is the present life (Isa 55:6; Ec 9:18).
The evidences of repentance are faith, humility, prayer, and obedience (Zec 12:10).
The necessity of repentance appears evident from the evil of sin; the misery it involves us in here; the commands given us to repent in God's Word; the promises made to the penitent; and the absolute incapability of enjoying God here or hereafter without it. See Dickinson, Letters, let. 9; Owen, On the 130th Psalm; Gill, Body of Divinity, s.v. "Repentance;" Ridgley, Body of Divinity, quest. 76; Davies, Sermons, vol. 3:serm. 44; Case, Sermons, serm. 4; Whitefield, Sermons; Saurin, Sermons (Robinson's transl.), vol. iii; Scott, Treatise on Repentance

 

[Revmitchell]

You need to study more about repentance. Here is a place to start:

Actually it is you who does and who holds to the unorthodox view of it. Of course you ignore the fact that you intentionally misrepresent our view.

 

[DHK]

No one here on this board or anywhere else that advocates repentance of sin in salvation advocates what you have posted here.


When will people stop working to ententionally misrepresenting opposing views. Shame on you.

Don't fault me simply because you have not been paying attention.

 

[Revmitchell]

Don't fault me simply because you have not been paying attention.

No one does. What I fault you for is misrepresnting the view of those you disagree with.

 

[jbh28]

Repentance of or from sins is a term for believers. When a believer sins he needs to repent of that particular sin or he loses his fellowship with God; thus the promise of 1John 1:9.

What do you mean repent of that particular sin?

A list of sins, repenting of them, etc. is a works based salvation.

Again, what do you mean repenting of sins here? What work are you referring to?

 

[DHK]

What do you mean repent of that particular sin?

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
--This is written to believers, not unbelievers.
It says sins, meaning particular sins. Each day as I come to the Lord I must confess the sins I have committed. If I don't; if sin comes between me and God, then my fellowship with God will be broken.
Psalm 66:18: If I regard iniquity in my heart the Lord will not hear me.
This scripture applies to Christians or believers, not to the unsaved.

Again, what do you mean repenting of sins here? What work are you referring to?

An unbeliever cannot repent of particular sins can he? He must repent of a sinful lifestyle. He must have a change of heart. See what the word metanoia means.

 

[Dr. Bob]

Am I the only one who sees this thread as ludicrous? Points were made and made clearly. No one should wonder what the other view is "thinking".

If I'm in error, I repent. But have to say I'm holding my breath that this will hit 10 pages and BE SHUT DOWN. :thumbsup:

 

[Iconoclast]

DHK must kill a few more strawman first

 

[jbh28]

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
--This is written to believers, not unbelievers.
It says sins, meaning particular sins. Each day as I come to the Lord I must confess the sins I have committed. If I don't; if sin comes between me and God, then my fellowship with God will be broken.
Psalm 66:18: If I regard iniquity in my heart the Lord will not hear me.
This scripture applies to Christians or believers, not to the unsaved.

An unbeliever cannot repent of particular sins can he? He must repent of a sinful lifestyle. He must have a change of heart. See what the word metanoia means.

I'm assuming your answer is he must have a change of heart. If so, then you are correct. It also shows that repentance involves no works, so there you were again very incorrect to say that it was works based salvation.

Biblical repentance involves no works. Not for the believer nor the unbeliever. The word in the Bible literally means to change one's mind. Unbelievers must repent of their sin. This doesn't mean they do any actions. The actions will come as a result of true repentance. So again, saying works salvation isn't true since no works have to be done. Works are a natural result of true repentance.

 

[preacher4truth]

Here is your testimony and the claims you have made:
1. You said you were saved at the age of 22.
2. You claimed to have an eidetic memory and were able to remember all your sins and had repented of all of them.
3. Assuming you are telling the truth, how many times in those 22 years did you tell a lie, and did you repent of each and every lie that you ever told?

Why am I not surprised that you not only twist my words, but Scripture itself. You clearly cannot understand simple statements, nor can you read between lines, or exegete.

One of your problems is that you define repentance as one must state each and every sin they've ever committed for all time (or you at the least force such a definition into those of us who KNOW the true Biblical meaning) thus you misunderstand my use of eidetic as well. I repented, given from God, all sin washed in the blood, so 'thus' it was eidetic.

Get it yet?

 

[convicted1]

No disagreement.



In where? Please explain. With Scripture.

Please don't ask the impossible and expect to receive anything in return...

 

[convicted1]

Why am I not surprised that you not only twist my words, but Scripture itself. You clearly cannot understand simple statements, nor can you read between lines, or exegete.

One of your problems is that you define repentance as one must state each and every sin they've ever committed for all time (or you at the least force such a definition into those of us who KNOW the true Biblical meaning) thus you misunderstand my use of eidetic as well. I repented, given from God, all sin washed in the blood, so 'thus' it was eidetic.

Get it yet?

Hmmmmm, doubtful......

 

[Rolfe]

Please don't ask the impossible and expect to receive anything in return...

Starting to think the same thing...

 

[Reformed]

The above verse is an example of true godly repentance of sin. Jesus speaks of how much is forgiven. The "much" is in reference to the weight of sin which can mean a particular sin and the amount of sin. Whether it is true or not some see their own sin as being worse than others and sometimes more than others.

Jesus makes a reference to the amount of debt that is due. The debt being analogous of sin. This is never made more clear than in Romans 6:23 which tells us that our sin is a debt to God.

The main idea in Jesus story is that those who realize their sinful state and just how much debt (sin) they owe God (sinned against God) are the ones who love and appreciate God as they should. Those who do not ( much like the pharisees) have no real understanding of what God has done for them and cannot love Him.

We cannot come to God, through the cross and Christ, and not deal with our sin. We cannot come to the cross and not feel the weight of our sin. We cannot come to the cross and not feel the shame of our sin.

Who has come to the cross, has dealt with their sin can now move forward without repentance of that same sin. It is not possible.

I could not agree more.

 

[Yeshua1]

I could not agree more.

Did you repent and forsake sinning when you received Chrsit or not?

 

[convicted1]

Did you repent and forsake sinning when you received Chrsit or not?

What does the bible command all men everywhere to do?

You'll find it betwixt verses 29 and 31 in Acts chapter 17....

 

[DHK]

What does the bible command all men everywhere to do?

You'll find it betwixt verses 29 and 31 in Acts chapter 17....

Repent, yes. But he never tells them to repent of all their sins.
The definition of repentance is what is key here.
As Dr. Bob has observed, our positions have been clearly laid out. There ought to be no confusion on this subject.

 

[Reformed]

Did you repent and forsake sinning when you received Chrsit or not?

There is the repentance that leads to life (Acts 11:18; 2 Cor. 7:10) and ongoing repentance throughout the Christian life (Jas. 5:16: 1 Jn. 1:8-9).

Luther rightly said, "All of life is repentance."

 

[DHK]

There is the repentance that leads to life (Acts 11:18; 2 Cor. 7:10) and ongoing repentance throughout the Christian life (Jas. 5:16: 1 Jn. 1:8-9).

Luther rightly said, "All of life is repentance."

Acts 11:18 is a good verse for "repentance that leads to life," but not 2Cor.7:10. There Paul is writing to believers at Corinth.

2 Corinthians 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
11 For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter.

"This matter" was the matter described in 1Cor.5:1-5, about the incestuos man, whom they disciplined out of the church. They sorrowed after him, after the action they had to take. Their godly sorrow along with prayer eventually led to his sorrow over his sin and his repentance.
The context here is entirely about believers. Only a believer can have "godly sorrow."