Featured my initial post on gospel/eternal salvation....

Since there are no other groups of Baptists that hold to Eternal Salvation as different from Time Salvation, I quote from Elder David Montgomery:


----source----->Proving Time Salvation----
written by Elder David Montgomery
PrimitiveBaptist.org

Time salvation is eternal salvation revealed, and lived by the child of grace. weak definition, I know, but, with my limited English vocabulary, not being born and raised in it, that is how I can best define it.
The shortest word I can condense it in is : knowledge. knowledge derived from teaching. By ministers, by preachers, by teachers.

Eternal salvation of the elect children of God, who are and have been in this time world for generations, before, during, and after the cross, in every continent, sub-continent, island and islet, archipelago and everywhere else the descendants of Noah spread out, is absolutely free of any human input: repentance, faith, etc.

Human delineations divide them and separate them. Politics, geography, chronology, faiths, creeds, religions, these all divide them, and all these have been transcended by the grace and mercy of God, a truth which he demonstrated time and again to all generations for whom He gave and preserved His word by the way He dealt with Israel: For he remembered that they were but flesh; a wind that passeth away , and cometh not again . (Psalms 78:39).

Time salvation is gospel instruction obeyed, adhered to, believed in. Unfortunately, while eternal salvation is absolutely unconditional in its eternal benefits, time salvation is not.
Eternal salvation, having been authored by God Himself for those whom He chose from before the salvation of the world, demanded nothing in exchange for the grace and mercy extended.
Time salvation on the other hand, requires PROOF of faith, WORKS meet for repentance, obedience and submission, but not without its compensations for such.

 

I completely understand your frustration. It is hard to wrap our minds around the fact that God's election of His people was from the foundation of the world UNLESS the foundation of the world was at the culmination of Christ's death at the cross.
If it was from the beginning of time (as one translation puts it) then we have to concur to the truth that even as God flooded the entire world in Noah's time, He had people among those He destroyed in this time world, and preserved Noah because from Noah, the line of the Messiah must continue as He purposed in eternity past.
Noah was just as evil as the rest of them, though perhaps not of the magnitude that the rest were (there is no one that seeketh God). But, Noah, found grace in the sight of the Lord.
And from Noah, the rest of the world was again populated, according to Scriptures, which suggests to us that every man on this planet from then on descended from Noah.
Which further suggests to us that when God wrote His people's names in His mind (what the Bible calls the book of life) included among these are those who descended from Noah who scattered all over the planet.
While God chose to record for posterity His dealings with His own by Noah and onwards, we need to see that He has people all over the world, even then, and they, as well as Noah, found grace in the sight of the Lord, as did you and I.

Then it is no longer grace.
I think you will be among the first who will define grace as unmerited favor.
So you will have to take that up with the apostle Paul who wrote the following in Romans 3:
For what if some did not believe ? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect ? 4 God forbid : yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written , That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged .
Am I saying that Jesus lied ?
Not at all.
What He said did happen.
Who is this that the Spirit will reprove ?
First, the Jews, and this happened in the Pentecost, first to the 3,000, then the rest of them.

Not at all.

No. Read your Bible.
Revelation tells us that what finally seals the doom of those who is to be cast into the lake of fire along with death, Satan, and his angels, is their not being found in the book of life.
Because that means (1) God does not know them. What was Jesus' reply to those who would dazzle Him with their works for him ? I never knew you. If He never knew them, then (2) those not found in the book of life has NO Savior to look to, no blood to plead on.

So, in effect, you are saying Christ notwithstanding, and God's mercy as well, in the final analysis, it is your choice of God, and not His of you, that bears more weight and strength ?
Do you realize what you are saying ?

 

Oh, shaddap.
why don't you demand that I and PB's be banned from this site, then.
go on, I dare and double dare you.
put up, or shut up.
debate, and if you can't, then cease your drive-by, ambush comments and stuff them somewhere else.

 

apology noted, but I did not divide salvation. the word of God, PROPERLY DIVIDED, does.

And neither were you. And comparing primitive baptist doctrine with moronic mormon doctrine is comparing apples and vinegar.

And in both eternity, and time, God is Master.
While TIME salvation demands faith, as I have repeatedly said elsewhere, eternal salvation does not.

And the Jews were who he declared His own, in the national sense, to whom He came.

Classic. you accuse me of dividing salvation, and yet you divide Scripture to preach man-made doctrines.

Here's the next verse:
Which were born , not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, BUT of God.

A gift given to them whether they know there is a gift from heaven to them, or not, check out your own verse, and the one I added for context.

Never did say I decide.
Always said in many posts I wasn't there when the book of life were written from the foundation of the world.
However, you don't have authority to put man's choice of God, over God's choice of which sinner He loves.

The great commission, if there is such a one, is not my duty if its purpose is to duplicate what the Savior has already done.
You go ahead, be my guest.

 

And how does that contradict what is said about time salvation ? time salvation is NOT ABOUT THE SOUL BEING SAVED FROM THE LAKE OF FIRE, it is ABOUT THE REDEEMED, THEREFORE SAVED SOUL, being snatched out of idol worship or wrong theology and being taught GOSPEL LIFE, submission, and obedience to its Savior, in order for that obedience to bring to him its NATURAL results which is blessing.

All of God's eternal purposes, as far as His people, both in national Israel and in spiritual Israel has already come to pass here in time.
Christ has come, and given substance to counsel that was formed between Him, the Father and the Holy Spirit.
The cross is past, the blood shed, the tomb empty, and the sinners to be ransomed, already ransomed.
My biggest problem, to use your own words, with you is you can't seem to wrap these facts around your head, and the reason is because it robs you of glory.
The Arminian's glory is robbed because the totally independent redemption Christ has obtained for His people deprives them of "winning souls" to God.
The Calvinist's glory is robbed because of practically the same thing.

So, in other words, the purpose of God's redemption of His people, is for time ? not for eternity ?

And don't you agree that the New Testament is the fulfillment of the Old ?

Unarguably. And what completes that salvation is the blood.
But if election UNTO salvation is what it is all about, WHY DID GOD HAVE TO SEND HIS SON IN THE FLESH ?
Didn't John the Baptist tell the self-righteous Jews that God is able of these stones to raise children unto Abraham ?
So, if election is UNTO salvation, why didn't He just nuke the world out of its existence after the cross ?
Among other things because His people are spread out ALL OVER THE WORLD, even in that phase of time, and they must know, IN ORDER for them to glorify God in their midst in the presence of their unrighteous generations wherever and whenever God forms a local body.

We are simply talking past each other, man.

Here's the frequency I am on.
Try to get your antenna tuned to it, so you understand what I'm saying.
TIME SALVATION DOES NOT IN ANY WAY FALSIFY GOD'S ETERNAL PURPOSE FOR HIS PEOPLE.
TIME SALVATION COMPLEMENTS THE ETERNAL SALVATION OF GOD'S OWN BECAUSE IT IS A RESULT OF THEM HAVING BEEN POINTED TO THE ONE WHO PURCHASED THEM WITH HIS BLOOD.

see the difference ?

 

So, does this mean we are still to offer up animal sacrifices ? that the Christia living in an agriculture based economy should bring up his tithes, his faith offerings ?

 

apparently, you did not even bother to read the post. so I am going to quote again the parts from the first post that I have colored blue, this time colored "red" and bolded.

When salvation refers to what God does for man without action on his part, and by the meritorious work of Christ, they know and realize that it refers to salvation in its highest order; preparing one to live with God in glory after death.

When salvation is mentioned in connection with the acts of men; or man is to perform some action to bring about a better situation for himself, they know it is to be to the child of God (one freed from the guilt of sin), and refers to a timely deliverance, or something that is for man's benefit while he lives here in the world."

It is insulting to one who posts to be answered in any manner when the one replying OBVIOUSLY DID NOT READ HIS POST and just went shooting from the hip.
Like for example, when somebody who calls himself a reverend, cries out 'millenial exclusion' when the post has nothing to do with backsliding Christians being excluded from millenial blessings.
But that seems to be the norm for this board of "Christians".

 

more on the article on Time Salvation, by Elder David Montgomery:

In most of his writings, Paul invariably shifts from DOCTRINAL to PRACTICAL.

 

we're still in a works based economy of salvation ? NOW ?