Featured my initial post on gospel/eternal salvation....

from you !!
who else ???
:laugh:
mitchell ain' here.
ain' no ghost here, either.

 

okay, we're going nowhere here, and I am about to derail my own thread.:laugh::laugh:

have you READ and I mean READ the post and the link to it before shooting off how we PB's are, in so many words according to you, desecrating the sacredness of the salvation authored by Christ ?

take your time, I need to go somewhere and will be back in 10 or 15.

 

Yes, you are.
WAY OFF TRACK.
You began your opposition by insinuating that we are heretics who are trying to disgrace the grace of God in salvation.

And all the scripture you have been providing to oppose the concept of timely or gospel salvation in scripture were NEVER addressed to all humanity. They were addressed DIRECTLY, and SPECIFICALLY,to Israel, and by extension, a church: REDEEMED, SAVED, REGENERATE INDIVIDUALS OR GROUPS OF INDIVIDUALS.

I have stated that in most of Paul's letters he invariably moved from discussing DOCTRINE (among which is ETERNAL salvation) to PRACTICE (which is where the concept of Gospel salvation is derived from).

Now, DISPUTE THAT instead of your knee-jerk reaction of throwing everyone who does not see the Bible as you do into the heap of heretics.

This is what I am accusing you of now: dishonesty.

YOU DID NOT READ THE OP, but you made as if you did, that is dishonest, I know because if you did you would know that among other things, the PB elder, whom I have quoted, as well as the elders he quoted, stated:

When salvation refers to what God does for man without action on his part, and by the meritorious work of Christ, they know and realize that it refers to salvation in its highest order; preparing one to live with God in glory after death.


DISPUTE THAT !

When salvation is mentioned in connection with the acts of men; or man is to perform some action to bring about a better situation for himself, they know it is to be to the child of God (one freed from the guilt of sin), and refers to a timely deliverance, or something that is for man's benefit while he lives here in the world."

DISPUTE THAT !!

But, no, you can't.
Because your contempt is showing in your "Christian" attitude towards brethren who do not deny the deity and humanity of Christ, who will not baptize unbelievers as you wouldn't, who plea the blood of Christ as their redemption, who have not denied the trinity in any way, who have not denied, but, rather emphasize that Gospel living is demanded of a truly born again child of God, who have never denied the virgin birth of Christ, nor his atoning death, nor His resurrection, nor His coming again, nor His now reigning in the kingdom of His people's hearts.

Show where we have denied any of the above that makes us deserving of your contempt that anything we say is immediately, without investigation, labeled through insinuation and direct accusation by YOU AND YOURS as heretical.

I have NOT ACCUSED YOU OF ANYTHING. I asked, because that is what I gather from your long-winded discussion of an otherwise out of context scripture you quoted.
see post # 20 for yourself, wherever did I accuse you of anything.
It is Scripture warning national israel of their idolatry !!
And the Apostle Paul has revealed what that eternal purpose is; HIS CHURCH and the bringing in of the Gentiles !!!
NEWSFLASH !!!!
READ ALL ABOUT IT:
Paul reveals God's eternal purpose hid in Christ !! EXTRA ! EXTRA !, read all about it. PAUL REVEALS GOD'S ETERNAL PURPOSE, CHAPTER 3, VERSES 1-11 IN HIS LETTER TO THE EPHESIANS. extra!! extra!!:

For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
Whereby , when ye read , ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given , that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;

And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

 

more on gospel, or timely salvation....

more from the article by Elder David Montgomery

Relevant Scriptures:

Deuteronomy 5:29 - O that there were such an heart in them , that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!

Deuteronomy 11:13 - And it shall come to pass, if ye shall hearken diligently unto my commandments which I command you this day, to love the LORD your God, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul,

Deuteronomy 11: 26-28
Behold , I set before you this day a blessing and a curse;

A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day:

And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known .

Romans 6:11-13 - Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

Relevant Scriptures:

1 Corinthians 15:1-2 - Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received , and wherein ye stand ;

By which also ye are saved , if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain

Philippians 3:20 - For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

Romans 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

1 Corinthians 10: 1 - 11 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;

And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

And did all eat the same spiritual meat;

And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.

Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.

Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.

Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.

Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.

Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

 

What, do you know of any other group of Baptists that hold to eternal salvation as different from time salvation ?

There are no attempts to simply defend it.
I was posting why we believe what we do about it.
You can attack it all you want, all your attacks will bounce off because what you hold on to is what was drilled into you by seminary professors who in return was taught by others who got drilled and fed the same errors.

Now, at last you're being honest.

Call it one, call it two, the fact remains that the Bible clearly teaches GOSPEL SALVATION is different in purpose, results, and character than ETERNAL salvation.

you ASKED, I answered your question.
WHERE is the accusation, other than in your warped mind ?

Looks like you're running out of ammo, dude.
you are STILL DISHONEST in this discussion.
Your sole intent is to CONVICT without review of evidence.
You have not read, nor contradicted, anything and everything that was posted and quoted, convincingly.
And here's why:

YOUR PRIDE WON'T ALLOW YOU TO SWALLOW THAT YOU HAVE NO SHARE OF THE GLORY IN THE ETERNAL SALVATION OF GOD'S PEOPLE AFTER ALL THESE YEARS. ALL GLORY IS GOD'S. YOU ARE JUST A LABORER PAID EQUAL WAGE WITH ALL THOSE BEFORE YOU, AND ALL THOSE AFTER YOU.

 

There are Scriptures I have posted supporting the concept of time salvation as being different from eternal salvation. You ignored every last one of them.

That is eternal salvation of which God needs no help from you, me, or anyone else. We were not there when He covenanted with Himself, neither were we there when He wrote the book of life.

I have addressed your Scripture with Scripture and you ignored it.
Perhaps the fault is in my not specifying which one it was, but you can go back (if you do I'll be very surprised) to post #26 and my reference to Ephesians 3: 1-11.

Really ?
What is it with you guys ? you Calvinists ?
you suggest someone is creating false accusations, which is an attack on the integrity of another and you have no comprehension of what you did at all ?
You always have to be the victims of insults, never the one so much at hinting at insulting the person or integrity of another ?
you accused me of saying you are teaching works when all I did was ask a simple question !!!
That is an attack on my personal character.
If I can't intelligently debate the one I'm debating with, I will simply pull out, and not resort to accusing him of anything.

 

Scripture after Scripture, all throughout this thread, "Biblicist".
You ignored every one of them, and instead focused on your efforts to make Primitive Baptists look like heretics.
And you still haven't answered this point from post # 26:

nah.
betcha y'all can't.
not one of you, Calvinist or otherwise.
so you'll just choose to ignore it.
in fact you'll ignore post # 27 as well, giving relevant scriptures that background the statements of the PB elder.
and the reason is because any attempt to discredit it will simply make you look foolish.
and you know it, too.

 

More from the article on Time Salvation, by Elder David Montgomery:

For brevity, I did not copy all Scriptures.
It is wortwhile to note though, that time salvation involves KNOWLEDGE of Scriptures, instructions in the gospel, and faithful trust in the Savior, all of which the lack does not affect the salvation wrought by the Savior on the cross, which benefits are eternal rather than timely, except for "perishing" here in time, in the sense that the inherent blessings and protection of obedience is lost, as well as the "joy of fellowship with God and the saints".