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Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by righteousdude2, Oct 30, 2014.

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Is Kaci Hickcox selfish and a danger to others?No

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  1. righteousdude2

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    This Kaci Hichcox, just back from treating Ebola patients in Sierra Leone is not wanting to be under a house quarantine ... so what do you think about her quest to be free to mingle with society until proven to be anything other than healthy?
     
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    What a study in contrasts. Selfless going to Sierra Leone to treat Ebola patients. Selfish in not being concerned about exposing folks: friends, family and strangers alike at home. :BangHead:
     
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    She's a typical liberal.

    The rules apply to everyone but her.
     
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    To the best of my knowledge, she isn't a danger to anyone until she starts running a fever. And then only if she comes into bodily contact with another person. IOW, Ebola isn't spread by breathing the same air as she does. If she doesn't run one in 21 days, she's not going to develop Ebola.

    Is she selfish, maybe to a certain extent it's the fault of the overreacting and under-prepared New Jersey Health officials who treated her like a Typhoid Mary. From the news reports, I've read they treated her with little compassion or grace. Further, they put her in a tent with only minimal facilities:
    • No Shower
    • No TV
    • A tent outside in a New Jersey Fall???
    Then to top it off, the NJ gov pontificates that she's sick when she most certainly is not.
     
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    My understanding from the news reports is that she left her house to ride her bike. She was not making contact with anyone. If she can do that and succeed in not making contact I do not see it as a problem.
     
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    The only other person mentioned in the reports I've heard on the radio is her fiancée. Like I wrote above unless they're swapping spit, he's in no danger. It's not like she went to the mall or was hanging out at the local coffee shop. I am also assuming she's rigorously tracking her temperature to monitor any rise in it.
     
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    For the time being - I would rather err on the side of caution.
     
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    Selfish and narcissistic.

    ...And the reporters are idiots for getting so close to her.
     
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    People, people. Read up a little on how Ebola actually works in the body and is spread and you'd be comfortable not only having her go outside but to even shake hands with her. Goodness, who is she infecting that she's going outside, in a rural area riding her bike? Yes, her fiancee is close to her but that's about it and she's showing NO signs of infection and has been testing negative for the virus. She's under close watch and as soon as she shows symptoms, she will be put into isolation and at that point, she is infectious.

    Do you realize that in infectious disease science, there is a thing called the "reproductive rate" that indicates how infectious a disease is and it is represented by a rating of R(N) and Ebola is an R(2) in the countries where there is an epidemic which is the same as Hepatitis C. Measles is the most infectious virus we know of and that is R(18). Right now in the US, the reproductive rate is under 1 due to quick care for the patients who come down with the virus.

    Here is more info: http://www.sciencealert.com.au/news/20140910-26305.html

    This is NOT a virus that will spread quickly in the US nor are these potential patients dangerous to society, especially when they are being closely monitored.
     
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    I find nothing wrong in your premise. You are more than likely right on ... still, this woman is no different than those crossing our borders illegally; or those taking the life of another. There is the need to follow the laws of your governing body, right or wrong, she needs to comply with the laws of the state, and not do what she wants to do because she feels it is violating her rights.

    Have you ever served on a jury? The government can demand you to drop whatever you have going on and serve as a jurist. It may inconveinance you, but you can be arrested for ignoring the summons. There are many things the government can demand of you, and you are required to comply. What would 21 days in your home with all your needs being met do but cause a slight disruption just to make sure others are safe?
     
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    Just assume that she has picked up the virus. How long before (typical average) the virus would begin to be evident in her body????

    IOW, if, on day 1 she picked up the virus, would she begin to show symptoms on day 2, 5, 10, 20, or when??? Or is this period even known??

    As for her concern about her "CIVIL RIGHTS" being violated, well ----- if her concern for her fellow citizens were as strong as her apparent (I say this because of her attitude) concern for those in Africa, then common sense would dictate being extremely cautious with something like this disease.

    But then, someone who cries CIVIL RIGHTS to avoid some hard choices is akin to those like the race-baiters who yell RACISM at every remote opportunity.

    Now she may be fine, BUT I'm sure that she would feel terrible should her boyfriend come down with this bug at some future date; always wondering IF she could have been the source.

    Also, do we know for sure that a person cannot be like typhoid Mary, and carry the virus without actually being infected themselves??

    IOW, a lot of unanswered questions that being prudent would negate if true.

    But again one must care more for others than their own CIVIL RIGHTS, and that eliminates how much of the population?
     
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    Yet there is no law stating that she must stay in her home for 21 days, is there?
     
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    Yes, I've served on juries. The courts treated me and my fellow jurors with a modicum of dignity, respect, and concern for our comfort. Which, the best as I can tell the NJ authorities didn't. They just went into panic mode. So, far she hasn't broken any laws and as far as I know is cooperating with the Maine Health authorities. NJ on the other hand was holding her in conditions just short of Alcatraz's Hole. It was done without warning or warrant. Remember, habeas corpus? So, yes, she does have rights.


     
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    Some people see the world how they want to see it, not how it really is. Plus, it's fun to panic. Whee!
     
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    The standard incubation period for Ebola is 21 days. Only a person with symptoms is infectious. IOW, without a fever they are not infectious. While Ebola is currently a pandemic in parts of Africa, it is a well known and well studied disease. So, we are not in a Typhoid Mary situation. IOW, with Ebola, there are no asymptomatic carriers.
     
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    Somewhere I got the idea that she is employed by the CDC. Is that correct?
     
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    She works\worked for Doctors Without Borders.
     
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    Found it.


    Wonder why it's being kept so quiet????

    It's not a crime to work for CDC.

    And then I wonder why our military personnel returning from W. Africa are being quarantined when they show no symptoms. And she's not? Why?
     
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    The miltary personnel are subject to military discipline. The Army can do what it wants with its members. The nurse is not. The problem is as usual this administration is playing the situation by ear and does not have a comprehensive plan to deal with returning medical personnel. I guess they planned on American (based) civilian volunteers staying in Africa and not returning home.
    Another factor is the soldiers are staying in country for a six month duty rotation. That's three months longer than the civilians are staying.
     
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    Is Nurse from Maine Selfish or Selfless?

    Well, she ain't selfless, since she has a self. And -ish means of, relating to, or being [Merriam Webster]. So since she has a self, and she is of, relating to or being the same self... she must be selfish.
     
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