Featured You may be teaching Justification by the Law !

Yes, I understand my view is a rabbit trail, whereas your view is the straight and narrow path of righteousness.

You said the translation choice between faith and faithfulness amounted to nothing because the Greek word was the same. I addressed that mistake.

And to repeat, the issue is not that faith is a work, the issue is whether faith is one of the works of the Law. And it is not according to Galatians 2:16, for we believed in Him and not in the works of the Law.

 

Tony - the only thing he could be saying at this point, for him to continue, is this:

"For by grace are we saved through [Christ's] faith...."

(See post #38)

Which means we have to read Romans 4:5 as our faith in His faith, and His justification.

 

Tapatalk isn't showing something I wrote on the preview, and it was too long ago to edit....

 

The whole premise is absurd. It was Abraham's faith that was credited as righteousness. It is our faith in Christ which provides our access to the grace in which we stand, Romans 5:2.

 

For this to be true, scripture must contradict itself. This has been pointed out to you multiple times, but you refuse to discuss this fact. You refuse to see anything except your own misinterpretation of scripture. You are caught up in a misunderstanding, and you're willingly ignoring anything that challenges YOUR interpretation.

Do NOT come back and say we are arguing with scripture until you are ready and willing to discuss the scriptures that contradict what you say.

 

We ahve no faith though in and of ourselves, for even that is the gift of God towards us saved by him in Christ!

 

Allow me to remind you: Ephesians 2:8-10 and Romans 4:5 were the scriptures provided.

Here's the contradiction you're ignoring: both of those contrast faith and works as opposites. One says we are saved by grace through faith, not of works; the other says that to him who worketh not, but believeth, his faith is counted to righteousness.

Please show how those do not contradict what you're saying.

 

I will try once more. We are not saved or justified by doing a work of the Law, i.e. putting our faith in Christ. We are saved and justified when God credits our worthless faith as righteousness and transfers us spiritually into Christ.

And to repeat, I can read and Galatians 2:16 agrees with me and conflicts with your view. We believed in Christ and not in the works of the Law. You are trying to rewrite that verse to say we did believed in Christ, one of the works of the Law. Not what it says.

How are we justified? By keeping the Law or one work of the Law? Nope, for by the Law no flesh is justified. But our faith in Christ provides our access to the grace of justification.

Petty simply really.

 

I believe I just showed that they DO contradict what you're saying. How can Eph 2:8-9 say "saved...through faith; not of works" and faith still be considered a "work"? How can Rom 4:5 say "him that worketh not...his faith is counted for righteousness" and still faith be considered a work?

Please explain how these are not contradictions to what you're saying about faith being a work.

 

"You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified? 2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?"

"11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them."

 

Okay, now you're really muddying the waters. Both of the references I posted say "faith, not works"; but you're insisting they do NOT say "faith, not works." Please explain.