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So your requirement for proof of contradiction is a verbatim Bible verse that says "Faith is not a work of the law," huh? Then the mods may as well close this thread, because we can never provide that exact response to you.

We can also never provide a verse that says verbatim "Our God is a Triune God." So are you also going to say that we should stop believing in the Trinity?

 

I provided that scripture: Luke 11:42. But you refuse to discuss it.

Is loving God a work?

 

Luke 11:42 and Matthew 23:23 are the same verse. There is no rabbit trail; there is scripture, the same conversation Jesus had, HIS words to the pharisees. Thus, the relevance to the thread is self-proving. Or, if it helps you understand better, scripture explains scripture.

You have two verses that say the same thing. Faith and loving God are recorded in the same position. If faith is a work, then loving God is a work. If loving God is not a work, then faith is not a work.

If you say that loving God is not a work, but faith is, then you have a contradiction of scripture.

So -- is loving God a work?

 

You're avoiding my question. Is loving God a work?

If you're not willing to actually discuss these things, why are you here?

 

I am merely trying to understand how you are reading the verse.

It looks as if you are reading it as if it should have a colon after the word law?

".... and have omitted the weightier matters of the law: judgment, mercy, and faith...."

In other words law is the main subject and judgment, mercy, and faith belong to a subset?

Kind of like Airplane: wings, tail, propeller.

 

Faith itself is a gift unto us by God the father, and we must receive jesus by that faith in order to get right with God!

 

You stated what a work is; but you haven't clearly stated if loving God is a work. That's all I want to know. Why is it so hard for you to answer yes or no?

One would think that if you truly wanted to spread God's Word, you would welcome questions and discussion....

 

"Rehearse"? Do you mean review?

Here's the deal: in that post, you claim believing with the heart is a work. My question is about love, which you didn't mention in that post. Is loving God a work?

Again, why is it so hard for you to simply answer yes or no?

Or, you could simply say that your post #76 says that anything we do with pur heart or our mind is a work on our part, whether it be belief, love, emotion, or reason.

This would go a lot faster and easier if you would just answer questions to help better understand what you've posted.

 

While "review" can sometimes be a synonym for "rehearse," "rehearse" is not considered a synonym for "review." Definition, usage and context matter. You don't "rehearse" points in a treatise or document unless you're planning on presenting that document. You do review points made.

I'm not "cherry-picking" verses. If you agree that Matthew 23:23 and Luke 11:42 are the same verse, then you agree that my questions are completely valid. The same admonishment to the pharisees from God Himself yields "faith" and "love of God" to be equivalent. You've made a case that any action--ANY--by us, whether it be of the mind or the heart, is a work. If that's correct, then please just simply say that's correct.

If you truly comprehended what I've been writing, you'd understand that I've been quoting your posts; thus, I haven't evaded anything, and I've been doing exactly what you asked: I've been trying to review the points you made in that post, but you won't answer even the most basic questions.

If you're here to actually discuss what you've posted, then discuss. If I've incorrectly identified your points, then say so and explain why I'm incorrect.

If you're only here to have us agree with you, well, that's obviously not happening, so you'd be better off shaking off the dust and go elsewhere.

If you're here just to give us a message, then get on with it, quit wasting time with all this "discuss my points" stuff, and let's see what you've got to say.

 

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