Featured Thoughts on, Propitiation.

Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; KJV Romans 3:22,23

Paraphrase; God the Father, before placed, I believe before the foundation of the world, Christ Jesus his Son as propitiation, the place of mercy, the mercy seat.

God the Father did this on the belief, the faith, that his Son the Christ Jesus would be obedient unto shedding, giving, his life's blood to redeem us.

Hebrews 5:8 says: Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; He was not obedient because he was God the Son, he was Son and even though he was Son he learned obedience through things which he suffered. Phil. 2:8 says: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. He wasn't obedient because he was God the Son, the Son became obedient. As a matter of fact the next verse states, because of this obedience, Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: Hebrews 1:4 says he obtained by inheritance, this name that is more excellent than the angels.

It was the faith, the belief, of God the Father in the obedience of his Son unto the shedding of the life blood of himself, that he before place his Son as the place of mercy. Propitiation.

That is, the faith, by which you; Was, are, and will be saved. Now how is it that it is, according to mercy, propitiation, we have been saved? What allows the blood of the sinless Jesus, the blood wherein was, his life, to wash away our sins?

Could the blood of a sinless dead man have washed away my and your sins? 1 Cor.15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith vain; ye are yet in your sins. There is no, according to mercy, is Christ be not raised, there is no faith.

not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His (God the Father's) mercy (the before placing of the Son, because of belief in obedient blood of him) He (God the Father) saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, (of the Son of God) Titus 3:5 Then and only then could the Spirit be poured forth on us.

Acts 2:32,33 says the very same thing. This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. (regeneration) Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, (renewing of Holy Spirit) he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

Compare: Rev 1:5 NKJV and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, (regeneration) and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood,

 

Question? In Phil 2:7,8 did Jesus become an obedient, man (ἀνθρώπων)?

 

To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

What?

Albert Barnes
Even as I also overcame - As I gained a victory over the world, and over the power of the tempter. As the reward of this, he is exalted to the throne of the universe Philemon 2:6-11, and in these honors, achieved by their great and glorious Head, all the redeemed will share.

He was tempted by the devil. He was tempted in the flesh, in the Garden. You have read Heb 5:7 he feared and being Son (of God) he learned obedience. Stayed as the obedient one would be more correct. Not my will but thine Father. Even after saying that and being strengthened by an angel he was still in agony sweat drops of blood falling from his brow. I believe Jesus was striving against being disobedient and he overcame.

 

What is, "the laws full demand against sinners"?

What is, "the wrath of God"?

Is there a difference between the two?

Not that I would hold Merriam Webster, theological, I thought I would post this.

Definition of EXPIATION

1
: the act of making atonement
2
: the means by which atonement is made

Definition of PROPITIATION

1
: the act of propitiating
2
: something that propitiates; specifically : an atoning sacrifice


Theological difference, please?

Lev. 17:11 YLT for the life (soul) of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you on the altar, to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood which maketh atonement for the soul

Bearing that in mind; Would the blood of the Christ have atoned for our sins had there not have been renewal of life to the one who had obediently shed his life's blood?

1 Cor 15:17 YLT and if Christ hath not risen, vain your faith, ye are yet in your sins;

Would what you believe about anything even exist? Um, I don't think that is what your faith means there anyway.

Let's say in the garden of Gethsemane, Jesus had not said, "Father not my will but thine," and had said something like, "Father, I don't think I can go through with giving my life for them," and those with wicked hands took him and killed him. Of course Jesus did not say the latter, yet scripture shows in Heb 5:7-8 and Heb 12:4 and Luke 22:39-46 there was real agony in the temptation even unto the shedding of sweat drops of blood striving against sin.

And before the coming of the faith, under law we were being kept, shut up to the faith about to be revealed, so that the law became our child-conductor -- to Christ, that by faith we may be declared righteous, and the faith having come, no more under a child-conductor are we Gal 3:23-25

What was, "the faith" that came? When did, "the faith," come? What does ,"the faith," have to do with the blood? From above it appears it was instrumental in removing one from being under the child conductor, the law, therefore let mes the relationship of, "the faith," to the grace of God - See Gal.2:21 I do not make void the grace of God, for if righteousness be through law -- then Christ died in vain.

If there had not been,"the faith," there would have been any Grace and Christ would still be dead.