Featured Thoughts on, Propitiation.

Ridiculous! Either he "is our propitiation" or he "is our means" of salvation! Either He IS "propitiation" or he is merely the "means" of salvation! Salvation is very broad in application as a term but "propitiation" is very narrow. Either he IS propitiation or he is the MEANS. The term "propitiation" is not synonmous with the word "means" but your statement above make they synonyms. Make up your mind!

According to your own authorities, the term "propitiation" means "appeasement" or don't you even believe your own authorities??? Appeasement means to SATISFY, thus he is our SATISFACTION, but what is it that he provides SATISFACTION for? You have no clue.

If he "is" our propitiation then he is our Savlation from the wrath of God or don't you believe your own words as you say, "we go from having wrath stored up against us, to being forgiven." Thus by your own definition He IS OUR SALVATION from the wrath of God.

But, as a "means of salvation" you simply empty the word of any meaning! If he is the "means" there must be something instrumentally provided to be accomplished by that "means" or it is no "means" at all but just empty jibberish!

Obviously you have no clue, as you repeat the same empty jibberish over and over again.

This term is translated "mercy seat" because of the symbolism established around the "mercy seat" on the day of atonment and what was contained in the ark under the lid and what was placed upon the lid. It is the TRUTH declared in this symbolism that defines WHY he is the "means" of appeasement. Again, you have no clue!

You obviously don't even understand what you are saying! Strong's and Thayer are defining it exactly as I do. Don't you understand there can be no "means" of appeasing without defining WHAT it is about Christ or what Christ provided that appeases??????? Appeases WHAT? What is needed for God to be Appeased/Satisfied????? You have no clue.

 

Not in Christ = unsaved!
In Christ = saved!
Not in Christ = spiritually dead!
In Christ = spiritually alive!
Not in Christ = facing the wrath of God!
In Christ = forgiven, the wrath having been propitiated!
Christ is our propitiation, our means of salvation.

The gospel of Christ

 

Not in Christ = unsaved!
In Christ = saved!
Not in Christ = spiritually dead!
In Christ = spiritually alive!
Not in Christ = facing the wrath of God!
In Christ = forgiven, the wrath having been propitiated!
Christ is our propitiation, our means of salvation.

The gospel of Christ

 

What a mess of confusion you have provided. You confuse spiritual union with propitiation. You confuse justification with propitiation. You confusion regeneration with propitiation. You confuse who Christ is with what Christ did.
You confuse the word "salvation" with "saved" as though the past tense aspect of salvation is all of salvation. You have no clue what you are talking about at all.

Propitiation by your own authorities means "appeasement" or satisfaction and that is WORTHLESS unless you define who it is that needs appeasement, and HOW and WHY Christ can appease. You have no clue!

Again, the Greek term translated "propitiation" is translated "mercy seat" and until you understand the truth surrounding the "mercy seat" on the day of atonement you will continue clueless about the real nature of "propitiation."

Christ is our propitiation to be sure but there are REASONS why He is and those reasons are found in the typology of the "mercy seat" on the day of atonement.

 

Not in Christ = unsaved!
In Christ = saved!
Not in Christ = spiritually dead!
In Christ = spiritually alive!
Not in Christ = facing the wrath of God!
In Christ = forgiven, the wrath having been propitiated!
Christ is our propitiation, our means of salvation.

The gospel of Christ

Calvinism takes gospel clarity to confusion.

 

Complete irrational gibberish! Complete non-germane!

No competent theologian would ever argue like this concerning the doctrine of propitiation!

Van does not even abide by his own definition of propitiation - "to appease". Spiritual union "in Christ" does not appease!!!! Being "in Christ" is not propitiation!!

However, who can argue with willful ignorance! None!

 

Propitiation is the act of appeasement or satisfying an offended Deity. If there was no offence there would be no need to appease or propitiate anyone by anyone.

The term is translated "mercy seat" because without the shedding of blood THERE IS NO FORGIVENESS of sins and it was the blood placed upon the mercy seat that APPEASED/SATISFIED the wrath of God against sinners.

The blood needed to be sprinkled upon all things. However, if it was not poured upon the "mercy seat" but sprinkled upon everything else there would be no forgiveness of sins, no appeasement, no satisfaction, as the "mercy seat" must have blood upon it on the day of atonement.

However, not any blood would do. It had to be the blood taken from a living thing that was "without spot or blemish" because the blood represented the CHARACTER OF LIFE of that living thing.

It had to be blood representing a life without "spot or blemish" because the "mercy seat" was the lid of the Ark containing the Law of God - the standard of God's righteous standard for a life without "spot of blemish." It had to be blood representing a life without "spot or blemish" placed on the "mercy seat" because that represented the very transition point where man and God met in the tabernacle in regard to sin and thus the ark represented Jesus Christ where God and man met in one person. The ark represented Christ and all that it contained. He was the incarnation of righteousness represented by the two tablets. He was the "manna" from heaven. He was the resurrection life represented by the rod of Aaron that budded.

He is the satisfaction of all that God demands for righteousness and for sin and on the cross His blood was shed and God looked upon the suffering of his soul and was "SATISFIED" and thus Christ could and did say "IT IS FINISHED"

He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.- Isa. 53:12

Propitiation is SATISFACTION due to being a "righteous servant" that suffered death to "bear their iniquities"

 

More ad homenim arguments, more logical fallacies, and more gibberish.

Christ is our propitiatory shelter.
Not in His shelter, unsaved and facing the wrath of God.
In His shelter, forgiven, saved, and propitiated.

Pay no attention to those who redefine words to pour man made doctrine into scripture.

Propitiation is the means of appeasing God, turning aside His wrath.

Propitiation is not a verb, so it is the means of salvation, not the act of salvation.

 

What perversion of God's Word. Propitiation is the goal that is achieved by the means, and that is why it is not a verb. The means is Christ and His substitionary life and death, that is is what obtains propitiation or turns away God's wrath from sinners. He would have you to believe that propitiation is the means to obtain itself!!!!

This is elementary to understanding the gospel. Van is preaching ANOTHER GOSPEL. The gospel declares that Jesus Christ and his substitutionary life is THE PROVISIONAL MEANS that obtains propitiation. Van has made the goal to be the means and the means to be the goal.

In other words, Van has repudiated the subsitutionary life and death of Christ as the sole PROVISIONAL MEANS for achieving propitiation or the means by which the wrath of God is appeased/satisfied.

No wonder, he can't grasp the Biblical doctrine of salvation.

 

More redefining words, more fiction, more gibberish.

When God credits your faith in Christ as righteousness, He transfers you spiritually from the realm of darkness into the kingdom of His Son. Once you arrive in Christ, you are saved, propitiated, justified, made alive, made holy, made blameless, made perfect and so forth. You are forgiven, your sin burden has been removed by the circumcision of Christ.

So simple a child could understand it.

Words have inherent meaning. Pay no attention to those who rewrite scripture by redefining the very words of Christ.

Not in Christ = unsaved!
In Christ = saved!
Not in Christ = spiritually dead!
In Christ = spiritually alive!
Not in Christ = facing the wrath of God!
In Christ = forgiven, the wrath having been propitiated!
Christ is our propitiation, our means of salvation.

The gospel of Christ

 

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More absolute false doctrine!! Faith as an abstract thing is not counted for righteousness, but faith that has for its object the substitutionary Person and work as our propitiation is what is counted for righteousness!

Childish and foolish simplicity!!! One does not merely "arrive in Christ" but must be "CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS" (Eph. 2;1,5,10) and the power to create is above your pay grade van. That is solely an act of God and it is by the power of His creative word (2 Cor. 4:6; 1 Thes. 1:4-5; James 1:18; 1 Pet. 1:23,25; etc.).

The problem here is that junior believes man can put himself "in Christ"(Jn. 6:44).

 

When God credits your faith in Christ as righteousness, He transfers you spiritually from the realm of darkness into the kingdom of His Son. Once you arrive in Christ, you are saved, propitiated, justified, made alive, made holy, made blameless, made perfect and so forth. You are forgiven, your sin burden has been removed by the circumcision of Christ.

Absolutely false and misleading. No quote will be forthcoming. Anyone who pays any attention to what this Calvinist says about the views of others is naive.

 

That is not abstract faith, because it is faith "in" someone. It is the "righteousness" found "in" Christ that is credited to the believer. That is why a sinner believes "in" Christ because the righteousness needed for justification is not found "in" the sinner but "in" the Person and works of Christ - read Paul's final application of this in Romans 4:23-25.

Apparently you can't even understand what you are saying. You are saying the transfer is "spiritually" but no human being is able to do that. Being transferred "spiritually" from "the realm of darkness into the kingdom of His dear Son" is the new birth.

Again, believe what you are saying! You said "HE" transfers you. Therefore, the believer is not transferring himself but is BEING TRANSFERRED. That is the new birth because Jesus plainly says one cannot "enter" or "see" that kingdom apart from new birth (Jn. 3:3-5).

Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.


You say the very REVERSE of what Jesus said. You say he must arrive in the kingdom first, then be born again. Readers, believe Christ rather than Van!!!

Moreover, no human being can transfer themselves "spiritually" from out of one kingdom into another kingdom. So this ARRIVAL is not something YOU DO but is DONE TO YOU as "HE transfers you" or don't you even believe what you are saying?????. But you don't understand or believe in what you even say.

Propitiation is not the consequence of being transferred from one kingdom to another but the LEGAL GROUNDS to make such a transferral possible. Propitiation is what Christ provided so that such a transfer is LEGALLY possible in the eyes of God because any sinner that is without propitiation is still under the wrath of God and still in the kingdom of darkness.

You dont know what you are talking about and it is obvious you don't.

 

BTW Jesus says that this new birth is in reference to the kingdom "OF HEAVEN" (Jn. 3:3,5) rather than the kingdom "on earth" as in the model prayer in Matthew 6. New birth must occur FIRST in order to both "see" and "enter" the kingdom "OF HEAVEN" but you reverse this order.