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It is just a term I use. I put a challenge to Icon which he won't answer.
He makes the statement, and numerous times, that God gives faith to believe. I call that the Calvinist myth.
If that is true then demonstrate if from Scripture. Over a long period of time Icon has never been able to do that.

I will lay it out again.
God gives believers faith.
Faith is listed in 1Cor.12 as one of the spiritual gifts (though most here I believe are cessationists). Nevertheless it was a spiritual gift given to believers only.

Faith is listed in Gal.5 as a fruit of the Spirit. Again it is the fruit of the Spirit.

God does not give his spiritual gifts nor the fruit of the Spirit to unregenerate people. That is a perpetuated Calvinist myth. Demonstrate it with Scripture. They can't. There will no scripture that will be forth coming unless it is applicable to Christians.

One cannot be regenerated unless he hears the Word of God.
Faith comes by hearing and hearing the Word of God. It is not God that forces faith upon a person in order that he might believe. The faith comes from accepting the Word of God as true. He must accept the truth of the Gospel.
In fact the Bible distinctly says in 1Pet.1:23 that we are born again by the Word of God.

 

You simply ignore evidence. I post evidence from Spurgeon and you remain unconvinced. That is remaining deliberately ignorant. Do not attack me when you are in a state of unbelief.

I have demonstrated that you are wrong. Why are you attacking me. Read what Spurgeon preached and accept it.

Get off the moderator kick. I am not a moderator in this forum and you know it. I am not bearing false witness. I am giving evidence that you refuse to believe. You will be held accountable for your unbelief and personal attacks.

I have explained that term in post #141. Please read it.

 

"WHOSOEVER WILL, LET HIM TAKE THE WATER OF LIFE FREELY."-Spurgeon

 

Let us go at once to our text—"Whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely." Now, there are four things very plain from our text, namely, that first, there is a "water of life;" that secondly, the invitation is very wide—"Whosoever will;" that thirdly, the path is clear, for it says, "Whoever will, let him come;" and then again, that, fourthly, the only rule that is prescribed is—let him take it "freely." That is the only price demanded, and the only condition, which indeed is not a condition, but a death-blow to all conditions. "Let him come and take the water of life freely."-Spurgeon

 

You admit you are a newcomer here. You haven't participated in the thread. It is now quite a few pages long. And you have the audacity to attack me as you have without finding out if what I said it true or not. What have I said that is not true. Back up your accusations with exact quotes. Gossip and personal attacks are also against the rules.

 

Not so.
Here is a quote from Dave Hunt found in his book "What Love is This," on page 30. I happen to agree with it.

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Can you read? I said in my post that I am a relative new comer to the reformed corner, meaning reformed theology. I have been around here on this forum off and on for a while now. Also, just because I have only now posted does not mean I haven't been reading the thread. I said what I did because I am absolutely sickened by your dishonesty, exemplified by your dishonest handing of Spurgeon in this thread. Perhaps I spoke out of turn as I was not engaged in the conversation.

 

Look, none of us, or you for that matter, knows who the sheep are. They look just like the goats. However, the gospel being preached is what distinguishes them from each other. The goats don't want any part of it. The sheep, in God's timing, hear the gospel and come to Him...

 

I wrote a blog post about Revelation 22:17 a while back...

 

Another blog post I wrote...

 

is the blog still active? got a link?

 

https://hardshelloldregularbaptist.wordpress.com/2013/08/19/matthew-1128-30-and-coming-to-christ/

 

It is self-evident that you are deliberately twisting things.

Do not use that kind of language.

Au contrare.

I do accept what he preached --you are as anti-Spurgeon as they come.

It is bearing false witness for you to claim that you are not bearing false witness! ;-)

Turning things on their head, as is your usual style is not the way for you to go.

You are not to use that kind of language Mr. Mod.

You have skewed what Spurgeon stood for. You are a revisionist;it is plain to see. But you have done the same kind of twisting with many others from Christian history --it is no surprise. But it is shameful for a mod on a Christian forum to be engaged in your modification of the facts. (Pun intended).

 

To use Dave Hunt as a source to support your lost cause is as bad as using David Cloud. I knew Dave Hunt. He was a personable Christian man who had many commenable qualities; but when it came to things pertaining to Calvinism he was in deep error.

He misrepresented Calvinism and you have perpetuated his practice.

 

RLBosley.

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Hello RLB,

In part here is what I believe on it....

1]mankind fallen in Adam is cut off from the true knowledge of the living God,
and is totally dependent on God ...revealing himself.

2] the means used are the word and Spirit..Given by God through The apostles and prophets...Christ Jesus Himself as the full final revelation.

3] believers alone are given and indwelt by the Spirit of God to be Divinely enabled to welcome the word of God...by Divine Illumination.

4] believers are commanded to grow in grace and knowledge, to pursue holiness, and to serve God in the midst of this fallen world.

5 ]Disobedience to known commands can hinder progress in this growth in grace.

6]Scoffing and mocking at revealed truth halts this growth in grace.

7] A proud spirit severely limits such growth as God resists the proud

8] The apostles were promised to be guided into ALL truth. We do not have that same promise directly

9]False teaching entertained retards progress in growth.

10] Some persons have diminished mental capacity which limits growth, although God gives to each of us what we need in our life.

11] Even those who are trusted guides are not immune from any and all hindrances mentioned here.

12] God for His sovereign purposes reveals or conceals truth:wavey:

 

Your self-penned "forced-faith" idea that you pin on Calvinists is absurd.

Listen to some words of Charles H.Spurgeon, in his sermon Human Inability. It was preached on 3/7/1858. His text was John 6:44. Here is an extract.

"How, then, does the Spirit draw him? Why, by making him willing. It is true He does not use 'moral suasion'; He knows a nearer method of reaching the heart, and He knows how, by some mysterious operation, to turn the will in an opposite direction, so that, as Ralph Erskine paradoxically puts it, the man is saved 'with full consent against his will'; that is, against his old will he is saved. But he is saved with full consent, for he is made willing in the day of God's power. Do not imagine that any man will go to Heaven kicking and struggling all the way against the hand that draws him."

 

plain_n_simple

They preach knowing this;
15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

No one accepts anything. Non elect will never seek God savingly.
If you "know" who are non elect...how do you know This?
If you can save any ...non elect person...go for it, but explain biblically how anyone not elected by God gets saved:laugh:

This makes no sense.

You do not even know what Calvinism is...so how can you make such a statement. Show you know what it really is with some biblical support, then offer your biblical critique.... You can post what you want for sure, but what you are posting is void of content.

 

DHK

let he help you DHK..you seem puzzled....

You already misread his post. have enough respect for a poster to read what he posted correctly. No wonder you have everything wrong:thumbs:

All he had to do was read and observe your posts. He can read....he said it was nauseating to him to read what you posted. No need to bite his head off DHK.....His post shows he reads with high reading comprehension and already sees the baseless charges you bring forth...it made him sick:thumbs:

About 90% of what you posted:laugh: that's what made him sick:wavey:

maybe he see's that you do not do that so he might not be sure what you are asking...or you are asking him to do what you do not do.

 

Yes...he is wrong at every turn. That is something we can say positive about DHK's latest postings...he has a consistent way about him...consistently wrong, consistently mis representing, consistently bearing false witness.

I am enjoying reading all the fine quotes demonstrating truth though:wavey:

 

DHK

I answered this over and over...you are unable to welcome the answer.

yes the bible speaks of this as salvation

yes..sadly that is why you lack understanding.

Jn 3, EPH 2

I notice you have no picture , no Avatar.....Could I suggest.....Pinnochio:laugh:
maybe read the book also.