Is it EVER OK to lie?

Haven't read through the first 8 pages; but I'll rest my answer on "By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not...."

 

Okay. But I'll still ask again. What passage in Scripture actually says it is okay to lie to accomplish something good? I'm not talking about an example of someone who lied, but revelation from God to say lying is okay.

 

Sorry, I don't see that in 13:7. How does that work?

And that passage doesn't excuse dishonesty anyway in light of: "6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth."

 

Again, these are not the only options for the OP situation.

(1) You can be a coward and squeal. Not an option for a believer.
(2) You can be dishonest and lie. Again, I don't think that's an option.
(3) You can fight to the death without saying a word.
(4) You can use misdirection to put them off the trail, as a fighter uses a feint to provoke a reaction that will help him win.
(5) You can depend on the power of God in the Gospel (Rom. 1:16) and witness to them.

Note the following story in proof of (5):

Margaret Mayfield Palm, a young Christian lady, was taken hostage by a vicious criminal named Stephen Morin. Morin had just shot and killed Carrie Scott, who had tried to stop him from stealing her car (a big mistake!), and he was also being sought for the death of others. Morin, running from the police, had been trapped in a motel room by the police, but fled out the bathroom window. He then abducted Penn at a gun-point to get her car. As UPI put it, “Palm testified that as they drove for eight to 10 hours, she told him about Christ and forgiveness and quoted the Bible. Before he boarded a bus, Morin gave Palm the bullets from his gun. He was arrested a short time later at an Austin, Texas, bus station.” (Japan Times, 3/12/85)

 

Only when talking about Calvinists.

 

I would like someone to tell me that 2 Samuel 17:17 - 22 is a sinful act.

 

There are quite a few acts in there. Which one do you mean?

 

I counted 17 different acts in the narrative.

 

Verses 19 and 20 specifically.

 

That's somewhat of a false dichotomy. I'm also content on submitting to Scripture WHILE reasoning it out using context.

 

There are five acts in those two verses alone. Which act do you mean?

 

You are doing the very thing you are accusing me of. You are elevating your understanding to include what you want it to say. The Bible also says do not kill, so using your reasoning, the death penalty is wrong not to mention the many instances where God commanded people to be killed.

 

take a stab at it, what are the five actions?