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Is it EVER OK to lie?

Discussion in 'Polls Forum' started by Jedi Knight, Dec 28, 2014.

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Is it EVER OK to lie?

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  2. No

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  1. webdog

    webdog Active Member
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    They selfishly kept some of the money for themselves while pretending to be righteous. How did they not seek to gain something here?!
     
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    We do a lot for our own advantage. You said that a sinful lie was one that had such gain at the plight or disadvantage of others. If you have changed your mind and now define sinful lie as one that is self serving then perhaps it is closer to truth.
     
    #82 JonC, Dec 31, 2014
  3. Revmitchell

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    Your original statement that I was actually addressing was:



    I failed to quote it and should have for better understanding of my position.
     
    #83 Revmitchell, Dec 31, 2014
  4. John of Japan

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    Yep, and she was a harlot when she did the right thing, too. :tonofbricks:

    Noah is in there though he got drunk, and Abraham is in there though he tried to bring about God's promise by human means, and Sarah is in there though she laughed at God's promise, and Moses is in there though he killed a man while refusing to be called Pharoah's son--I think my point is made.
     
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  5. Jedi Knight

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    Harlot is not the subject.
     
    #85 Jedi Knight, Dec 31, 2014
  6. John of Japan

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    The point is valid, I believe. Simply because she was in the "Hall of Fame" of Heb. 11 does not mean that God approved of everything about her. Her being in Heb. 11 does not mean that God approved of her lying. The chapter is about faith, and her faith is what God approved of, not her lying.
     
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    She received God's approval. Surely you don't mean to imply that sexual immorality is a sin in all cases!
     
    #87 JonC, Jan 2, 2015
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    Um...when would sexual immorality NOT be a sin?
     
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    I think that was said in jest.
     
    #89 Revmitchell, Jan 2, 2015
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    When lying is no longer a sin, I suppose.
     
    #90 JonC, Jan 2, 2015
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    Sorry; missed the <tongue-in-cheek> tag.... ;)
     
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    (Double post)
     
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  13. John of Japan

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    Absolutely and indubitably!!
     
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    Ok you like to play the Harlot I see :) ......what right thing did she do? She lied to protect them.....karate chop it up but it's still what she did for her mention in Hebrews. She was known as Rahab the Harlot NOT Rahab the Liar!
     
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    This particular topic always amuses me. Not in a funny-ha-ha way.

    Hebrews says she was recognized for her faith. It doesn't mention her lying.

    The Ten Commadments say "thou shalt not lie"; and Proverbs 6 says there are things God hates--one of them being a lying tongue.

    We can argue this til the cows come home; get into deep discussions about context and "types of lying"; and look at word definitions until we're all blind.

    But here's my concern: if you ask a muslim something about his brother, he's allowed to lie to you, because you're not family. If you ask about his neighbor, he's allowed to lie because you're not part of his neighborhood or village. If you ask about someone in the next village over, he's allowed to lie because you're not part of their tribe. And if you ask about someone from a different tribe or even another country, he's allowed to lie because you're not muslim.

    And even though Hebrews says she was justified because of her faith, here we sit, justifying Rahab because she lied.

    What's good for the muslims must be good enough for us, eh?
     
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    You shouldn't follow cults. :type:
     
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    James 2:25
    Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?
     
    #97 Jedi Knight, Jan 3, 2015
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    Mind explaining how that makes sense?

    So you interpret that to say Rahab was saved because she lied?
     
    #98 Don, Jan 4, 2015
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    What other "works" did she do?
     
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    Obama thinks it is ok to lie.
     
    #100 Revmitchell, Jan 4, 2015
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