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Your view is warped.
Here is what you say:

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Basically you are saying that they have salvation before they have a knowledge or intelligence of it. That is they are saved before they are able to have faith.
Therefore justification (which takes place at the time of salvation) is not by faith. It can't be. They are not even knowledgeable about salvation or forgiveness of sins when they receive it, according to you. How can justification by by faith when you believe in this kind of philosophy (I can't bring myself to call it theology) ?

 

Does the Bible say that we are born-again, saved, before we are justified?

Does the bible say that we have "faith" before we are born?

Does the Bible say we have faith only AFTER we are justified? saved? born-again?

 

It comes in this order.
Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
--The gospel is the Word of God. By hearing and understanding the gospel, we come to a place where we are able to put our confidence or faith in its message.

1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
--The Word of God is essential in our new birth. The Holy Spirit works through the Word of God to regenerate us. First we must hear the Word of God. Then we must put our faith in its message in it. Only then can the new birth take place.

1 Corinthians 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
--This is the gospel. Regeneration and salvation take place simultaneously.
It was preached to the Corinthians. They received it by faith. "By which they were saved." It is the gospel message, and their faith in it, which saves.

Note: There is no mystical, superstitious, magical regeneration that takes place before the event of salvation/justification. It all takes place at the same time.
For by grace are ye saved through faith.

 

SavedByMercy claims we were redeemed, saved, justified at the cross - which is before all of us were physically born.

yet claims we are "justified by faith" which no one today could have had before they were physically born.

There are some problems with that view.

 

(YLT) wherefore do ye not know my speech? because ye are not able to hear my word.
They will not listen (ou dunasthe akouein) to the substance of Christ’s teaching and hence they are impatient with the way that he talks. How often that is true. (A.T. Robertson)
--Your problem is that you insert your pre-conceived idea into that verse instead of doing any real Bible study to find out what it really means. It is a matter of the will. They would not listen and therefore could not understand. Their unwillingness to listen to Christ's words is why they could not understand. This obvious from the text.

Jesus makes it plain that those that CHOOSE to listen to God's Word will eventually accept it become His, (as His disciples did), therefore they will understand his words.

This applies to any person, saved or unsaved. Unless a man understands the gospel he cannot get saved. Understand that. "Sorry" You are wrong.

 

They are not deaf. It is a matter of choice. Read again A.T. Roberson's comments. Perhaps a looser translation will help you:

(CEV) Why can't you understand what I am talking about? Can't you stand to hear what I am saying?

Why can't you understand me?
You can't stand to hear what I am saying!!

They didn't want to understand him. It was their choice; their unbelief.
God did not bind their hearts. That is your theology forced into the text.

 

The word "deaf" is your word. It is not found here in this passage. Indeed you are deaf to common sense and deaf to rightly dividing the word of truth, deaf to the true sense of the meaning of Scripture.

 

The repetition of error is still error. Notice how no one listens to it anymore.
At least read someone who knows what he is talking about, A.T. Robertson, a Greek scholar,

 

This has the same teaching as in verse 43.
You are just like the ones he is speaking to: "You cannot hear!
You don't want to hear. You refuse to hear. You close your ears, your understanding, etc. You shut everything down except your own views. You refuse to listen to the views of others.
You are just like the ones that Christ was speaking to. They refused to listen to his words. They would not, and therefore couldn't. You are a good example of this.

Here is the verse in Young's literal translation:
(YLT) he who is of God, the sayings of God he doth hear; because of this ye do not hear, because of God ye are not.'

Here is A.T. Robertson't comments on the same:

Note: Their not listening proved that they were not of God.
They chose not to listen. It was their choice just as it is your choice right now. You refuse to listen to what is being said by other posters. You just keep on posting the same error post after post after post--refusing to listen to what anyone else has to say.
This verse is very descriptive of how you are behaving here.
Look well into the true meaning of it.