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Properly and thankfully by DHK! But I believe blessed wife 318 had made the same point earlier. You boys just could not accept it!

 

Understand that you are opposing an antagonist/s that have no intention of allowing an actual discussion to take place. They are going to come in, muddy the waters, and talk about everything...except the points being raised.

Maintain control of the situation and force the issues they run from.

Their corruption of the discussion of the redemption of the earth shows without question they refuse to acknowledge something as simple as the earth awaiting redemption, They create false arguments, most of which are based on an inability to comprehend what has been said, and despite what you have said, their understanding is the false premise they work off of.

Post 200 does a good job dealing with this issue, but unfortunately, you are dealing with a rather slothful lot. When their posts are longer than a few syllables, it is usually because they have copy and pasted someone else's works, someone else's beliefs, someone else's faith.

It is sad that we have people who simply latch on to someone else's beliefs and claim them for their own. There is no intention of coming to a better understanding of Scripture, and in fact their goal is to make sure no-one else can, thus do they disrupt, deflect, and defame.

What this shows is a tendency to embrace whatever one is exposed to. Throw someone in with any group and after too long, if they are not someone who takes initiative in seeking out truth...they will be one of that group, defending the doctrine vehemently, and reviling any who do not conform as they do.

Keep up the good work and don't let them play the shell game with you, lol. Bring a singular focus and it will have results, even if it means they begin ignoring you, which means, much to the dismay of some of our more zealous antagonists...you are freed up to teach sound doctrine without the interruptions they might want to impose in every thread.

God bless.

 

No, I don't I don't believe that.
Jesus paid everything at the cross. There was nothing left to pay. The rest is a matter of time--just like we wait for the redemption of our bodies, we also wait for the restoration of the earth, and eventually the resurrection of "the dead," and their judgment.
The purpose of the Tribulation is two-fold:
It is a pouring out of God's wrath upon the ungodly of this world.
But more importantly it is a fulfillment of the many OT promises when Christ comes to defeat the enemies of the Jews, and at that time, as a nation, they will turn to their Messiah. It is then the Battle of Armeggedon will be fought, and there they will be saved. They will then be ready to enter into the Millennial Kingdom as prophesied throughout the many OT scriptures. This is what has been referred to as "The Great Day of the Lord."

 

Thank you DHK.
You are absolutely right the Jesus paid everything on the cross. Nothing more needs to be done. Hopefully they will listen to you since you are in their camp.

 

By DHK! And earlier by blessed wife 318!

 

There was only one "Fall," one "Curse" which contained many facets:

Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
Gen 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
Gen 3:18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
Gen 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

The primary consequence of the curse upon Adam was the curse on the earth. Now the earth would bring forth thorns and thistles as it never had before. The harmony of nature would turn against Adam. This is all part of the curse, the result of Adam's sin.
Just as Adam waits for the redemption of his body, the earth also waits for its redemption. That is precisely what it says in Romans 8. God's creation is waiting for the coming of the Son of God. At that time it will be restored to its previous state.

Even the whole creation groans and travails in pain until now.
Why?
Because of Adam's sin.
But when Christ comes that curse shall be removed. It has nothing to do with any of the seals.

 

Looks like they don't want to listen to DHK. Of course I disagree with his remarks as they relate to dispensationalism but He is supremely correct that Jesus Christ paid it all on the cross. I believe you had made that point after the initial claim that the Tribulation redeemed the earth!

 

Yes I did and we have been going round and round ever since. 200+ post now of trying to nail down if the Cross is sufficient or not. It is amazing how much of eschatology is bleeding into soteriology. When I was 12 and started studying eschatology I looked at it very much as an independent aspect, but the older I'm getting and the more I have studies not just eschatology but theology in general I realize how they all do bleed into each other. That leads me to say that if your eschatology starts messing with core doctrines like the sufficiency of Christ atoning work on the cross then maybe it's time to step back and examine your eschatology in light of those core doctrines.

 

You are correct. It is sad that so much time was spent defending the indefensible and in effect denying the finished work of Jesus Christ. If my memory is correct you used that very statement "It Is Finished" in your rebuttal of their claim!

 

I did and it was ignored. Oh well I will say it has been an enlightening couple of says.

 

Let me ask you this to maybe shine some light on the subject. Who has possession of the earth now? Who is the earth being redeemed from?

All you have done in the above post is beg the question and circular reasoning.
You start with the premises that the earth STILL needs to be redeemed without showing from whom it needs to be redeemed, who is in control if the earth.

Your argument can be summed up this way, the earth needs to be redeemed because their are scrolls and their are scrolls because the earth needs to be redeemed.
And also you have never attempted to answer the question WHY does the earth have to redeem itself? Because there is no way you can make the argument that someone else is paying the price when you look at the earthquake, hail, heat, darkness etc that the earth endures.

 

So the Satan is the ruler if this world, in your opinion just to make sure I understand right.