Featured "the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me forever"

Jesus said:
John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
One of the results of His resurrection was giving the opportunity for all men to be saved. Here, "all" means "all." It does not speak of the elect. Eisegesis not permitted.

I am not going to get into a Cal/Arm debate with you here in this forum. There is another forum for that. Take it there.
Please don't derail this thread into Calvinism.

 

During the Great Tribulation it is a time of God's wrath being poured out on the ungodly of this world, on the Antichrist and his followers. The believer is "not appointed unto wrath," and thus the rapture. There is no need for the gospel to be preached, for as it says:

2 Thessalonians 2:10-12... they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved...And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth.

It plainly says that no one will be saved. God will send them a strong delusion that they should believe a lie--the lie that the Antichrist is god.

 

Brother beammeup,

The "all Israel" that will be saved mentioned in Romans 11:26 is all of God's elect (both the remant according to election of the Jew and also the Gentile).
This is precisely what the apostle had already expressed in plain language , "Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham." (Galatians 3:7). "29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise" (Galatians 3:29) The same truth is taught plainly earlier in Romans in 4:13-16, "13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,"

The body is composed of the believing "remnant" of the natural Israel (the "remnant according to the election of grace" Romans 11:5) with the addition thereto of believing Gentiles. This is why Paul says, "...For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel" (Romans 9:6). The next two verses make the matter still cleared. We read, "7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
(Romans 9:7-8).

Paul returns to the matter that was causing him such acute sorrow, namely that, as Isaiah had prophesied, "27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: (Romans 9:27)

God bless,

Brother Joe

 

:applause::applause::applause::thumbs: Everyone sees this error on display. It is a dishonest attempt to answer real teaching.

 

DHK

I have not only read the whole chapter...but indeed the whole book so I know what you say is false and misguided.
In fact everyone else see's this also. PreachingJesus, SG, Gtim, OR,your error is in neon lights......except for your disciple...beamup:laugh:

everyone else focused on it as you sought to avoid it.

We just read these scriptures with understanding. It remains a mystery to you.

 

I have to laugh every time I read this statement or one similar to it. There are plenty of them made by you, Rippon, OR and many of the other Calvinists here.

"Not one person God has elected will be lost."

Such a profound statement.

Not one child born to my wife and I will be my neighbor's child.
I can think up a lot of these "profound" statements.

Not one article written by Dave Hunt will ever be written by John Piper.

Not one apple on my apple tree will ever turn into a grapefruit.

The stone buried in the back yard will never grow into a tree.

(very deep, very profound, have to think it through Icon. There must be some loophole somewhere?????)

 

Name-calling is the attribute of the one who has no argument.

Again, name-calling and laughing and scorn are the qualities of the one who has no argument, no debate.

If you truly understood what God was saying you would realize that:
1. He is not willing that any should perish.
2. That all should come to repentance.
3. That Peter is not concerned about his readers either repenting or perishing but rather the lost who need the gospel and are not yet saved. The lost will not get saved without believers giving them the gospel.

Repentance is the flip side of faith. That being the case both are essential in salvation. So the answer is yes.

If you had read what I said:
The phrase “longsuffering to us-ward” cannot be addressed to only the elect. It must include all mankind.
...If it doesn't, then the following phrase, “not willing that any should perish” must apply to only the elect.
So God is not willing that the elect should perish? or that any man should perish? Which is it? I thought you believed in eternal security. Is God concerned about the elect perishing?

By your own quotation God is longsuffering to vessels of wrath.
Does that describe the "elect"?

The gospel goes worldwide because the gospel is for all the world.
"Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature."
Those were the words of Jesus. The gospel was for every creature in the world.

God's predestination is based on his foreknowledge (omniscience) of those who will trust him by faith. Therefore election is applicable to the believer because the Lord already knows them who will believe.

No debate here either; just arrogance and condescension.

 

evidently that's as deep as I need to go because the truth eludes you so you try to make a joke out of the post that you cannot answer .

where Peter shows what what the long suffering is .results in salvation for those God has chosen to save
I mean its just as deep as I need to go but apparently t you can't receive it you can't welcome

 

no one called you any names al I did was speak about what you posted
what you posted might have sounded like an obscenity because the posting was so bad
correct observation on the nature of your posts is not name calling

 

As you quoted, Paul also showed that his "longsuffering" also resulted in "vessels of wrath." It works both ways doesn't it?

 

no the long suffering of God does not result in vessels of wrath Paul said God endured vessels of Wrath...so that the elect could be saved:wavey:

 

DHK,

I started a thread in the Cal v. Arm thread about 'all' and 'ever' and 'world', &c.


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