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DHK

it was closed to protect you from being exposed as teaching error and bearing false witness [which you do all the time]as we shall see.

and yet you never quite get it:thumbs:

your dispensational straight jacket forces wrong conclusions once again

we do not know this as you say.....your posts are an instruction manual how to miss truth every time
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Daniel 9 affects all people.....the OT affects all people....the only wrong conclusion is your dispensational speculations and fantasies.

When Daniel was written they were still future....they are reality now

they have already come and were in effect when Hebrews was written. That is another of the truths you deny.

You deny the new covenant is for gentiles as described in Hebrews 8, and Ezk 36.....
You deny the inner heart transplant at regeneration as described in Ezk 36

You deny the Kingdom is now...

You really have no grasp of any of this

Christ is the anointed one right now...by definition

This is a reality right now, which you deny...you deny it right here in the next quote:

You deny the present reign of King Jesus and you profess Satan to be ruling your world.

You display your message of defeat here in the next post...you say Satan rules/ not Christ

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from the other thread-
Originally Posted by Iconoclast View Post
DHK;

For Christians it is a reality now;

This has nothing to do with this discussion at all. The enemies of God resist His Kingdom rule as He rules with a rod of Iron. Judgment will be exact and every single sin will be punished.




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Jeremiah 23 King James Version (KJV)

23 Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the Lord.

2 Therefore thus saith the Lord God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the Lord.

3 And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase.

4 And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the Lord.

5 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.

6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, The Lord Our Righteousness.

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sorry to hear you under under Satans rule......
I am under the rule of the King of Kings...The Lord Jesus Christ.

People are being saved worldwide despite your message of defeat and gloom.






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He already came and instituted it;

20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

When he institutes his kingdom it will be visible to all to see it.
Apparently you live in a fantasy kingdom--no one can see it. That is what happens when you allegorize scripture.

The scripture you quote is a reference to the Lord's Table, not the Kingdom.
It is a red herring, like much of the scripture you give.


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DHK says;
(Hebrews 12:18-24, KJV)

sure it does...it is now for Christians...you deny it, you deny the NC.

Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

But ye are come:
1. unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem,
2. to an innumerable company of angels,
3. church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven,
4. to God the Judge of all
5. to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Yes... you are in major denial ...most everyday your posts are in decline and indicate your thoughts are growing more disorientated and fragmented.:thumbs:


stay tuned for part 2-

 

Lets consider the evidence from your own posting that you have lost your mind because of dispensational scriptural fragmentation dis-order.

Where did I claim to go to Heaven and back ? Can you show where I posted this going to heaven and back? or is it more false witness and delusional thinking from your dispy illness?

When the writer tells these Hebrews they have come to the Heavenly Zion and Jerusalem, He is speaking of them having been effectually called into saving Union with Christ , by The Spirits work of Spirit baptismeffected at new birth.
All those verses you deny are a reality...heb 8, ezk 36, numbers 19, jn 3 ex24:8 hebrews9 and 10....

You because of your dispensational afflication are unable to lay hold of truth:wavey:

The text says they are...innumerable, and yet you ask how many? You have lost brain cells to dispy notions....


And you could see them? What did they look like? Did they have wings? Please describe your experience here in heaven.

 

Let's simply look at the Scripture within the context it is given.

The overall context of the Book of Hebrews:
It is a book of contrast. There were some among the Jewish believers that were very discouraged because of the great persecution they were undergoing, and thinking of returning to Judaism, to Temple-worship. Though this is ultimately impossible, the writer of the Book of Hebrews nevertheless writes to them and in such a beautiful way contrasts the OT Judaic system to the NT walk with Christ. Thus words like "better than" are key. Also "let us," as in "let us move on" are also common. It is a book of contrast.
In chapter one Christ is better than the angels.
In chapter three He is better than Moses.
In chapter four He, being our rest, is better than the Sabbath Day rest.
He also is our Great High Priest, better than the High Priest of the OT.
And so the letter goes on comparing both how Christ is better; how the NT believer is in a better position.

Now to Hebrews 12:
Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

The contrast here is between the Jews coming to Mount Sinai, and believers who some day will come to the Heaven Jerusalem. We haven't reached there yet.

Earlier on we are informed:
Heb 12:18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,
Heb 12:19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:
--Israel came to Mount Sinai. They were on the way to the Promised Land.
This is where the Old Covenant was made. What happened?
God shook the earth. There were signs and wonders. The people feared.
Notice the specific mention of the sound of a trumpet, the voice they heard, and a voice they would hear no more. It was a fearful scene.

The writer goes on:
Heb 12:20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:
Heb 12:21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake
--Even Moses said, "I exceeding fear and quake."

Now it is not the nation of Israel, but NT believers.
Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion,
--Mount Zion is the heavenly Jerusalem. It is a heavenly scene.

Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
--As Moses mediated the first Covenant, Jesus mediated the second.

Heb 12:25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
Heb 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
--These were Jewish believers thinking of going back to Temple worship.
Some of them in Moses day died. They could not escape the judgment of Jehovah when the rebelled against God's Law, God's Covenant.
It was then that God shook the earth, but it was the earth only at Mount Sinai.

When He comes again, he will not only shake the earth but the heavens also.
The OT repeatedly speaks of "the Great and Terrible Day of the Lord" (The Tribulation, Jacob's Trouble), at the end of which Christ will come in the glory of His Father with the heavenly angels. He will shake the earth and the heavens. He will set up his Kingdom. And Heavenly Jerusalem will immediately follow.

Heb 12:27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
Heb 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

We receive a kingdom which cannot be moved. This is not speaking of this invisible kingdom which the amills envision. It speaks of The Millennial Kingdom which Satan cannot destroy, in which Christ will sit from the Throne of David and rule with a rod of iron, and all will be subject to him.
There will be no ISIS.
Every person on earth will bow the knee to Christ and honor him as King of kings.

Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.
--They indeed shall fear.

 

How many times do you want me to answer them?

I'll go back and copy and past from the other thread where they were answered?

Let me get this straight are you asking as it is laid out in Daniel 9 or for the people of our age? Which do you want fulfillment of Daniel's prophecy for HIS people or for the people of this age?

 

DHK

Post 25 was your best post in about 8 months.Most every Christian can agree with most of the factual portions of your post.
No one would be critical of you if you post in this manner consistently.

I disagree with your last two or three paragraphs in that you put it off into the future because of the end time calendar you use.

The language speaks of Christ speaking from heaven now....to those who are in the Kingdom now...it says we receiving a Kingdom...it does not say.......someday someone will welcome this kingdom

 

Notice the portion in Red this has not yet happened and this supports Daniel 9:24 after those days what days the days in which the 70th week occurs, then the Lord will fulfill these events for the Jews He will have:

The new covenant will be established with Israel God's people, Daniel's people and God will be their God and will rule and reign over them. They will then have the custody of Scripture and the Gospel placed with them. Hebrews 8 makes that very clear. It shows us God is not through with Israel but will make a new covenant with them. Just as he has made the New Covenant of Grace with His church. The covenant of the Law was abolished by the covenant of Grace, but God will establish a covenant with Israel after the 70th week, that hasn't occurred and Verse 10 of chapter 8 makes that abundantly clear.

 

The contrast is between two peoples coming to two places:
One to Mount Sinia; the other to Mount Zion (the heavenly Jerusalem).

At the former the earth shakes and the trumpet is blown.
At the latter the earth and heaven will shake and trumpet will be blown.

At the former God came down in partial glory to man (Moses)
At the latter Christ will come in great glory to all.

At the former God was a reminder of judgement (the smoke of the mountain)
At the latter we are reminded of judgment (Our God is a consuming fire)

The contrast IMO, is very evident of two comings, one of which is still future.
We haven't reached heaven yet.

 

The Feast of Trumpets shows the Rapture! It is the next Great Event to be fulfilled of the Feast. The first 4 feast were literally fulfilled at Christ 1st advent the next three will be literally fulfilled in God's order. There was a gap between the fulfillment, just as there is a gap between the first four feast and the last three. Then another shorter period between the Feast of Trumpets and the Day of Atonement, thus the Rapture with a short 7 year period of Tribulation leading to the Atonement that is the repentance of national Israel and then the Tabernacle will be with mankind in the form of Jesus in the 1000 year Kingdom.

The period of atonement leading to the (Day) of Atonement in which the Jewish people were to repent it will bring Israel:

Then the feast of the Tabernacle and thus the 1000 year kingdom, all beautifully showing how God's plan will be carried out for the Redemption of all mankind as well as His fulfillment of the promises to National Israel as His people.

 

Your questions have been answered many times, perhaps more than a dozen if I go and gather them all up.
Here is what you said back in post #9

First, realize the context:
Daniel was praying to the Lord His God, and suddenly Gabriel (vs.21) appears to him.
Now in Dan.9:24-27 it is Gabriel speaking to Daniel.

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city.
--The context is given here. The following phrases in the verse describe what will happen to the nation of Israel--"thy people" and "thy holy city," Jerusalem. To think otherwise is to take the Scripture out of its context.

Now the rest of the verse describes what will happen to Israel, and when will it take place. It will take place at the very beginning of the 70th week or at the very end of the 69th week, when Christ comes again. Why? That is when He is coming for the nation of the Israel, not for the Gentiles.

to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

He is coming to finish the transgression and to make an end of sins.
--The Jews rejected their Messiah. It was the greatest sin they could have committed. They have been committing this sin ever since the first century, and since that time their sins have been increasing not decreasing. In fact Paul says specifically about the Jews:

Romans 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
--In the condition they are now, they treasure up wrath against the day of wrath which they shall give account of in the day of judgment.

to make reconciliation for iniquity,
--When he comes he will make reconciliation with the nation of Israel--the remnant that will still be living.
Rom.11:26--And so all Israel shall be saved.
Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
--At that time they will accept him as their Messiah.

to bring in everlasting righteousness,
--When the Jews do turn to Him as Messiah then Christ will bring in everlasting righteousness.
The verb cannot be ignored here. It gives no concept of imputing righteousness, or giving righteousness as pertaining to salvation.
He will bring it in. He will bring it in upon the entire world. It will be everlasting over all the world. He is the Prince of Peace, and both peace and righteousness will reign over all the earth, as the curse will be lifted and the earth will be restored to its edenic state.

to seal up the vision and prophecy,
--By that time all the prophesies concerning the Jews will now be fulfilled. They will be finished. Right now there are many unfulfilled prophesies. But then they will all be fulfilled.

to anoint the most Holy.
The most Holy is Christ himself. He will be anointed as King of kings and Lord of lords and will rule with a rod of iron from the throne of David in Jerusalem in His Kingdom for a thousand years, even as it tells us in Revelation 20. The Bible does not lie here. It is completely accurate and cannot be spiritualized.

Consider the last two verses briefly:

Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The "he" of verse 27 must refer to the "prince which shall come" in verse 26. This has nothing to do with dispensationalism or one's theology. It is grammar. It is the direct antecedent of "he".
It is also history. The armies (of the prince) were the once that destroyed Jerusalem in 70 A.D. Now a foreigner will come. He will desecrate the Temple, and set himself as god. See Mat.25:15 and 2Thes.2. He is the man of sin, the beast of Rev.13. He will be destroyed in the end by God himself. These things have already been "determined."

 

Not sure what you are even talking about!

 

Brother Oldregular,

Good thread you created! I believe you have conclusively proved your conclusions regarding Daniel's prophecies being fulfilled by Christ 2,000 years ago.:thumbsup:

Brother Joe

 

I don't see anything he proved to be correct, because all those things must have occurred for Israel so has Israel as a Nation repented?

 

during the Tribulation it is quite clear, Revelation 12:6-17

Israel is the woman, she flees to the wilderness in rejection of thebeast and anti-christ. She as a nation turns to God and He helps in her flight and HE helps to nourishes her for 3 1/2 years. So all these things God does for her and we see that while the beast and anti-christ are ruling the earth and seeking to war with the remnant of Israel who keep the commandments of God and have the Testimony of Christ that these things are fulfilled in her:

Her transgression is finished, by God, an end of her sin of rejection comes, she is reconciled from her iniquity, she will be seen in everlasting righteousness, the visions and prophecies of the O.T. relating to her will be sealed and complete, the Holy of Holies will be anointed in the 1000 year Kingdom.

Over and over N.T. scripture verifies the fact that God will restore Israel, God will fulfill His promise to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in regards to the land.