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Featured Drone sees Russian base in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by church mouse guy, Jul 2, 2015.

  1. poncho

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    If that were true, which I question because as always you only have your own opinion to support your own opinion . . . which is worse, trading personal freedoms for money as you accuse the Russian people of or trading personal freedoms because the neocons used the politics of fear, hatred and division to motivate you into trading your own personal freedoms for "safety" from all the scary boogeymen the neocons and their un constitutional interventionist "regime change" policies helped create?
     
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  2. church mouse guy

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    I don't know that the Russians have ever contributed anything in the way of good government to the world. The Russians are remembered mostly for despotic kings and murderous communists. Putin is a murderous KGB official and the Russian people approve highly of him and his murders because the Russian people want the restoration of the Soviet empire so that they can exploit others.
     
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    You could be a case study in how effective the neocon's recycled Nazi propaganda of fear, hatred and demonization has been.

    It's become evident to me that you've been programmed to hate the "other side" so thoroughly you can't even bring yourself to look at the evil being done by your own "side" all over the world.

    Truly remarkable.
     
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  4. church mouse guy

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    The Russians murdered Patton and now the Russians are saying that their enemies are Nazis but then they are saying that they are Jews and we know that Russians persecute Jews but the Russians had a pact with the Nazis so the Russians are on both sides but the Russians are not on the side of human rights for themselves or their neighbors. Putin has so much blood on his hands but the Russians don't mind the blood on Putin's hands and the blood on Russian money.
     
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    The presence of neo nazis in Ukraine is a documented fact. Even the "western media" has admitted it, although they do their best to down play it.

    The USA employed Nazi's after WWII. Werner von Braun sound familiar? How about Operation Paper Clip?

    Washington and it's "allies" in Saudi Arabia and Turkey have been harboring, training, funding and arming Islamic terrorists and using them as "regime change" proxy forces in Libya and Syria.

    Now we learn from the "western media" that Islamic terrorists from Chechnya are moving in to Ukraine to reinforce the military and help them kill more Russian speaking Ukrainians.

    Just because you refuse to acknowledge these facts doesn't mean they don't exist. It just means you have an infinite capacity to fool yourself.

    Evidently the blood on the hands of the people in Washington that instigated a violent coup and started the "civil war" in Ukraine that has killed thousands and used Islamic terrorists that have murdered thousands upon thousands including your own brothers and sisters in Christ in the middle east doesn't bother you nearly as much at what the Russians may or may not have done in the past if the thousands upon thousands of deaths caused by Washington's "interventions" even bothers you at all. And it doesn't sound like it does.

    I believe you're to full of hate for the Russians and whoever else the neocons tell you to hate and fear to see what evil Washington and it's "allies" have unleashed on the people of Ukraine and the middle east.

    You've let your hate and fear blind you.

    Understanding the special accommodations made by the West for perhaps the most barbaric nation on Earth, amid disingenuous bleating about "Iran," "North Korea," "Russia," "China," and other enemies of Western hegemony, exposes the emptiness of Western principles - or more accurately - the emptiness of those hiding behind them.

    http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2015/07/us-ned-ignores-saudi-barbarism.html

    Weird how you never complain about Saudi Arabia and it's ongoing support for terrorists and crimes against humanity. Wonder why?

    Could it be that you aren't being programmed to hate and fear the Saudi monarchy that has buckets of blood on it's hands like you are being programmed by Washington and the MSCM to hate and fear Russia?
     
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    [​IMG]

    Good boy CMG keep hating and fearing those Obama and Soros tell you to and you can look forward to another tasty war.
     
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    The Russians do not care for human rights. The murderer/thief Putin is the richest man in the world.
     
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    He says as he ignores the millions of deaths that have resulted from Washington DC's long history of military adventures including regime changes, nation building experiments, funding and arming "opposition forces" and economic sanctions.

    If I had to guess who the richest man in the world is I'd say Prince Charles.
     
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    Putin is the richest thief/murderer in the world. The Russian people do not care about anyone's human rights. The Russian people want to re-build the iron curtain.
     
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    Blah blah blah . . .

    How much is Soros paying you to be one of his demonizers?
     
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    Soros is a commie like Putin, not that the Russian people care about human rights.
     
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    Soros is a fascist. Fascism = government and corporate power merged. That's why he's supporting the Ukrainian coup government. Birds of a feather.

    Uh huh.


    Desperation for Americans in Yemen as U.S. refuses to mount rescue

    A Michigan family with two toddlers and an infant was stranded in Yemen after being forced from its home by rebel gunmen. A California woman tried to flee through an arrangement with the embassy of Djibouti, but failed. A mother of four from New York also tried that route, at the State Department’s suggestion, only to hear the same reply: There would be no help.

    Continue . . . http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/world/middle-east/article24782872.html

    Russia evacuates over 650 from Yemen: officials

    Moscow (AFP) - Russia on Sunday evacuated more than 650 people of different nationalities from war-torn Yemen by air and sea, officials said.

    A Russian navy ship took 308 people earlier Sunday while around 350 people were later able to leave on two Russian planes.

    "The two planes took off from Sanaa this afternoon," a spokesman for the Russian embassy in Yemen told the Interfax news agency, without giving details of the evacuees' nationalities.

    Earlier, a defence ministry official said that the 308 evacuated by sea were en route to Djibouti and included 45 Russians, 18 Americans, five British nationals, 159 Yemenis and citizens of former Soviet states and the Middle East.

    Continue . . . http://news.yahoo.com/russia-evacuates-over-650-yemen-officials-191732595.html

    Russia Evacuates Nationals of 19 Countries from Yemen, Including US Citizens

    After the US left its citizens stranded in Yemen, Russia has evacuated them from the war-torn country.

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    “Among those evacuated from the zone of military operations near [the southern port of] Aden are nationals of 19 countries,” Konashenkov said, noting some 45 citizens of the Russian Federation, 18 citizens of the United States, five citizens of Great Britain, one citizen of Bulgaria, six citizens of Estonia, 14 citizens of Ukraine, nine citizens of Belarus, three citizens of Turkmenistan, eight citizens of Uzbekistan, five citizens of Azerbaijan, one citizen of Bahrein, five citizens of Djibouti, 159 citizens of Yemen, one citizen of Somali, three citizens of Palestine, 13 citizens of Jordan, nine citizens of Cuba, two citizens of Egypt and one citizen of Saudi Arabia.

    Continue . . . http://russia-insider.com/en/russian-navy-ship-evacuates-308-people-yemen/5548
     
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    No, Soros is an Hungarian Jew communist--he and his buddy Putin are probably having a lovers' spat over how many Jews Putin is murdering in the Ukraine.

    Putin and the Russian people are busy re-building the iron curtain and that is how the drone found the exact location of the Russian military camp inside the Ukraine.

    The Democrats support Putin. Albright and Obama called the GOP foreign policy on Putin as 1980s as you know. Here is a 16 second video of the Democrats saying that the GOP opinion of Putin is 20th century while the Democrats are 21st century, like Putin.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm4znIZlctU
     
  14. poncho

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    Apparently you don't know what fascism is.

    Now you're just making things up as you go along, you have no proof. You've already proven that. "Alleged" Russian military camp. The Ukrainians have "alleged" a lot of things that have turned out to be false.

    Democrats support the bankers and corporations. Fascism = government and corporate power merged.

    Republicans support the bankers and corporations. Fascism = government and corporate power merged.

    Think "public private partnerships" (Fascism = government and corporate power merged) the democrats and republicans both love them. You can read all about them in the "free trade" agreements and UN Agenda 21 documents.

    But then you don't read documents, do you? You'd rather rely on the MSCM, Obama and Soros to tell you what's happening. Nevermind that they've lied and mislead you about practically everything else. When it comes to Russia they cannot tell a lie. :rolleyes:

    I wish you were half as well informed as a grapefruit CMG we might be able to have a decent discussion if you were.
     
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    Does it bother you at all that Washington DC left American citizens to face their fate alone in Yemen?

    Doesn't seem like the action of a country that cares about human rights to me.
     
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    The Democrats more or less support Putin's murders and the attempt of the Russian people to rebuild the iron curtain and deny people their human rights. The drone gives the exact coordinates of the Russian military camp inside the Ukraine. Communism and nazism are just two sides of the same coin. Russians have always murdered Jews and they continue to do so to this day. In spite of what Putin-controlled Russian TV says, the Russian people are in lockstep with Putin, perhaps due to fear of being murdered by the old KGB master commander.

    Russia has never had anything but despotic rule and the Russian people have no notion of liberty.
     
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    Yes and Obama should be impeached for it.
     
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    Why “the Ukrainians” Lie- Prof. A. Moytl Says the West Shouldn’t Freak Out!

    In an article published at the New Atlanticist, Political Science Professor Alexander Moytl of Rutgers University wrote the strongest justification a Ukrainian Nationalist scholar can mount in defense of the Ukraine”s love affair with the nationalism of Stepan Bandera.

    Bandera, a mass murderer, torturer, and assassinated former leader of Ukraine’s ultra-nationalist emigre political movement is the Ukrainian equivalent to George Washington or Thomas Jefferson in A. Moytl’s thesis.

    According to Moytl, because of the affinity the Ukrainian nationalists have with Washington and Jefferson, raising Bandera to their level as of father of the nation is nothing the West should “freak out over.”

    Really?

    Moytl’s defense of the nationalist Ukrainian government and “the” Ukrainians love affair with Bandera’s war criminality starts and ends with- If you don’t speak fluent Ukrainian, haven’t read Shevchenko, or seen two Ukrainian plays…YOU are in no position to judge us! You can’t possibly understand us!

    Why the West should freak out!

    Continue . . . http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/07/why-the-ukrainians-lie-prof-a-moytl-says-the-west-shouldnt-freak-out.html
     
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    There are 535 other elected public servants in government. Where are they? What are they saying? What are they doing?

    India, for example, is leading the rescue of trapped foreigners in Yemen, successfully evacuating more than 550 people from 32 countries, including a dozen Americans and three Pakistanis, through a combined air, sea and rail effort.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/04/10/state-dept-sued-for-failing-to-evacuate-us-citizens-stranded-in-yemen/

    Many foreign nationals are trapped in the war-zone in Yemen, and eight countries, including India, China, and Russia, are performing risky missions to rescue civilians, their own citizens as well as others. While there are thousands of US civilians trapped in Yemen, Washington vocally refuses to rescue them, issuing a facile claim that it would be too risky, while at the same time performing rescue missions for Saudi pilots whose planes have gone down in Yemen.

    Washington is also personally coordinating with dictator Abdulaziz on the strikes, and is refueling the US planes being flown by Saudi pilots.

    Obama continues to bomb Yemen himself, killing hundreds of suspects and civilians in a death campaign he has been pursuing for years. He is also participating in enforcing the blockade, which human rights groups say has led the country to the brink of a mass humanitarian catastrophe.


    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/07/abdulazeez-and-abdulaziz.html

    So much for the idea that Washington DC respects and protects "human rights".
     
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