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He has not denied the words of Christ. This charge is a falsehood.

He has answered everytime.....and you have no response for his biblical correction.:wavey:

 

Here is the quote:

So you answer them. Can you?

 

I can......:wavey:

however SG has already answered between post 145-150...and now Protestant has also dispensed of your ideas:laugh:

 

I never called you a liar, so do not even go there. I was just showing you your belief regarding the 'foreseen faith doctrine' is exactly that, God choosing those that had faith.

 

Convient you deflect from that which I exposed in your doctrine. You said God elects those that believe and damns the rest. Why are they damned? No belief. No belief, no faith. Therefore your 'all men have faith' is erroneous.

 

“I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.[Jn 15:5]

That Roman had witnessed the miracles of Christ. He had heard His preachings, no doubt in my mind.

 

You are not reading the full story. Go and find it and read it. I can show you that he was not regenerated when Jesus said he had great faith. How does an unregenerated Roman Centurion demonstrate greater faith than any one else in Israel? That you have never answered.

 

That is all you got out of my entire explanation?? Did you even read what I said?
Let's review point by point.
1. I have never heard of the term "foreseen faith," the terminology.
2. If I have some points in common with it then so be it. I am bound to have some points in common with other people's theology. That is just common sense.
3. Perhaps the person that "invented" this name, got his theology from me???
4. Because we have some points in common doesn't mean we have all points in common, and I am sure we don't. No two men agree absolutely the same on everything.

Does that clear things up for you. I am not suggesting you are lying.

 

Every person has faith. It is the object of the faith that is important.
Jesus made clear that the object of a person's faith must be in Him.

If you believe the Bible you will believe the very simple words of Jesus in Mark 16:
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.

--It really is very simple. It is not a matter of election but a matter of choice.
One can choose to believe or not believe. Those are the words of Christ.

 

If you could you would answer the post. The fact that you don't answer the post proves that you can't. In posts 145-150 there is not one mention of the Roman Centurion. So you are simply barking up a tree.

 

Sarcasm doesn't prove your point. It shows ignorance.
Thus far you haven't proved anything.

No he did not. And you have no proof of that.

An unproven assumption. You are reading into Scripture that which is not there. You are placing Calvinism ahead of sound objective hermeutical principles. Go back to school.

This man was an unbeliever. You are applying scriptures taken out of context.
Truly you are one that butchers the word of God. You do know what "rightly dividing the word of truth" means don't you?

He never said those things to the Roman Centurion.
You are way off base. You argument is self-defeating.

 

So, even unbelievers have faith? Faith devoid of good works is dead, which is, in reality, no faith. The Unregenerate have bad fruit, monsieur, and can not produce good fruit. Only good trees produce good fruit.

Your theology has gaping hole after gaping hole in it. Instead of you being willing to learn, you have been sucked into those gaping holes.

 

Excellent point good observation in this post I think you have been on it the whole time and he has failed to respond to any of your posts in a way that would give a reasoned answer:wavey:

 

Monergists do not see God as forcing anything, although we do confess God is responsible for first causes. All sinners believe freely after their wills have been made able to believe.

 

Even those dead and in hell?

There is no 'if', I do, mon ami.

If so, then why has this issue been going on for centuries?

Oh now I have read it all now. It is not about election(God choosing man) but a matter of choice(man choosing God). Feel freeD) to take sinful man off the throne anytime now.

One can choose to have faith or not, in other words. If one chooses to not have faith, then all men do not have faith. Thereby, this refutes your 'all men have faith' mantra.

You theology is so dis-jointed, it has no foundation in the scriptures. All men have faith, but people can choose not to have faith(believe), so then not all men have faith. Your theology is so...

 

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You ask supposedly rhetorical questions, but they are questions that do have an answer, answers that you simply do not want to accept!
Jesus gives you the answers you want (or don't want depending on your point of view).
Be honest with yourself.

Jesus said:
1. Little children have faith. (But little children are not regenerate).
2. The Roman Centurion had great faith, but was not regenerate.
3. Ten lepers had faith. Only one returned and was saved. The others remained unregenerate. They were healed according to their faith.
4. The woman of Phoemecia was healed according to her faith. She was not a regenerated person.
5. The paralyzed man was let down into the house via the roof. Jesus healed him because of the faith of the four men that let him down. It was their faith or according to their faith that their friend was healed.
--Not God, not Jesus gave any of the above "faith." Where then, did it come from?

 

So, if God changes a sinner's will so that they can "freely believe," is it possible for that sinner to not believe in God?

If not, then I can't help but see this argument as nothing more than semantics. It's like someone claiming to be "pro-life" instead of "anti-abortion." It's just a word game.

 

Yes. Like the rich man and Lazarus. The rich man had so much faith he asked Abraham to send Lazarus to his five brothers. He had faith that Lazarus would be able to convince them of the truth so that they wouldn't have to come to the same place that he was in.

Perhaps it is a simple matter of unbelief.

There is nothing in the Bible or the definition of sovereignty to limit its definition to the exclusion of free will. Why is the Calvinist terrified to allow the sovereignty of God to include man's choice or freedom to choose between right and wrong? Are the limitations they place on sovereignty too great for God to bear (in their minds)?

Every person has faith. It is the object of faith that is important. You exercised faith when you put your hand on your keyboard posted this message. And in faith you believed it would show up perhaps in Canada here or in many other places in the world. I don't know you. I have never seen you. But somehow your message (by your faith) has reached me. You put your faith in the person who constructed the internet and said it would work, and your experience in using it--your relationship with it and your computer and other technology that you trust.
Faith is confidence. Where have you been putting your faith and confidence?
In computers and the internet? Or, when it comes to spiritual things do you put your faith in Christ? Faith is faith. Faith is not mystical.

You sound like you have some kind of existential and mystical religion whereas faith is mysterious and mystical, but it isn't. Faith is simple confidence in the word of another. Biblical faith is faith or confidence in the promises of Christ in the Word of God.