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"DHK,

Do I have to explain everything to you???.....let's look again;

I could agree with this statement if it was posted all by itself. You have never seen me react against this kind of statement.

Christians go to heaven.. period. So when we speak of those who are kept out....we are speakingof the unsaved who are judged by their works.
they are required to be perfect....they cannot be. they will give account of their works, they will be judged guilty by what they did...outside of Christ.

36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned
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You replied:

Those who do not enter heaven are denied based on their works...or lack of works done in the body....if you knew the scriptures you would not post such a foolish and contra biblical thought.....that is why I am forced to oppose you so often....

2 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

You then quoted the rest of Romans 2:2-11, and followed up with 25:51-45.

You are still wrong and what you did was still wrong....
I do not believe in salvation by works....my posting was quite clear.
You still do not understand the issue.

 

Here is Calvin from his commentary on 1 Corinthians 3 please show how you believe I Twisted his words:
Calvin 1 Corinthians 3 states this:"
Hence, with the view of beating down so much the better their insolence, he declares, that they belong to the company of those who, stupefied by carnal sense, are not prepared to receive the spiritual wisdom of God. He softens down, it is true, the harshness of his reproach by calling them brethren, but at the same time he brings it forward expressly as a matter of reproach against them, that their minds were suffocated with the darkness of the flesh to such a degree that it formed a hindrance to his preaching among them. What sort of sound judgment then must they have, when they are not fit and prepared as yet even for hearing! He does not mean, however, that they were altogether carnal, so as to have not one spark of the Spirit of God — but that they had still greatly too much of carnal sense, so that the flesh prevailed over the Spirit, and did as it were drown out his light. Hence, although they were not altogether destitute of grace, yet, as they had more of the flesh than of the Spirit, they are on that account termed carnal This sufficiently appears from what he immediately adds — that they were babes in Christ; for they would not have been babes had they not been begotten, and that begetting is from the Spirit of God.

Babes in Christ This term is sometimes taken in a good sense, as it is by Peter, who exhorts us to be like new-born babes, (1 Peter 2:2,) and in that saying of Christ,

Unless ye become as these little children,
ye shall not enter into the kingdom of God, (Luke 18:17.)

Here, however, it is taken in a bad sense, as referring to the understanding. For we must be children in malice, but not in understanding, as he says afterwards in 1 Corinthians 14:20, — a distinction which removes all occasion of doubt as to the meaning. To this also there is a corresponding passage in Ephesians 4:14."

 

Now please show where I twist Henry's words:

Matthew Henry states in his commentary on 1 Corinthians 3:
"Paul blames the Corinthians for their weakness and nonproficiency. Those who are sanctified are so only in part: there is still room for growth and increase both in grace and knowledge, 2 Peter 3:18. Those who through divine grace are renewed to a spiritual life may yet in many things be defective. The apostle tells them he could not speak to them as unto spiritual men, but as unto carnal men, as to babes in Christ, 1 Corinthians 3:1. They were so far from forming their maxims and measures upon the ground of divine revelation, and entering into the spirit of the gospel, that is was but too evident they were much under the command of carnal and corrupt affections. They were still mere babes in Christ. They had received some of the first principles of Christianity, but had not grown up to maturity of understanding in them, or of faith and holiness; and yet it is plain, from several passages in this epistle, that the Corinthians were very proud of their wisdom and knowledge....He blames them for their carnality, and mentions their contention and discord about their ministers as evidence of it: For you are yet carnal; for whereas there are among you envyings, and strifes, and divisions, are you not carnal, and walk as men? 1 Corinthians 3:3. They had mutual emulations, and quarrels, and factions among them, upon the account of their ministers, while one said, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos, 1 Corinthians 3:4. These were proofs of their being carnal, that fleshly interests and affections too much swayed them. Note, Contentions and quarrels about religion are sad evidences of remaining carnality. True religion makes men peaceable and not contentious. Factious spirits act upon human principles, not upon principles of true religion; they are guided by their own pride and passions, and not by the rules of Christianity: Do you not walk as men? Note, It is to be lamented that many who should walk as Christians, that is, above the common rate of men, do indeed walk as men, live and act too much like other men."

 

My original post (#210) said this:

In subsequent posts you broke this post up trying to make it look like there was a subject change. There wasn't a change in topic. The topic is salvation--salvation by grace through faith and not of works.

Your exact reply to that post is this:

Concerning salvation (the subject at hand) it is salvation by works.

What else should one conclude: "Those who do not enter heaven are denied based on their works."
That is grievous error.
They don't enter heaven because they have rejected Christ.

Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

But you insist on a theology based on works and not of faith. Sad.

 

That you cannot understand is what is sad .
Unsaved people go to hell because of sin.
Unbelief is a sin.
Sinful works not done to God's glory are sin.
Breaking the ten commandments is a sin.
You bearing false witness is a sin.
All liars will be in hell.
Unbelief is sin....but not the only sin as you suggest. You fragment scripture all the time so you do not even know you did it again.
Provides 28:13 comes to mind when I read your post.
Sins plural......not just unbelief.

 

The one who walks in the way of God is very blessed, the carnal christian receives no such blessing from God instead they receiving chastening. I guess that is the difference in those positions. The ones who say a believer can't walk in the flesh also seem to believe that when one commits sin they don't lose God's blessing, but one sin causes lose of God even answering prayer until the sin is confessed, that is the first thing a believer who sins must do in order to have God even answer (commune, fellowship) prayer. One sin makes one in the flesh, and going for even an hour would cause one to walk in the flesh because they are walking in sin. The longer they stray the longer God will not answer prayer and thus the blessing of God will soon become the chastening and cursing of God in Time.

 

Unsaved people go to hell because of sin but not their works. Saved people go to Heaven because of their faith in the Son and His efficacious work on the cross.
The sin issue has become a Son issue, have you believed on the Lord Jesus the Son iof God, Jesus made it clear in John 3:

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Verse 18 makes it very clear the only thing that sends anyone to hell to the Lake of Fire for all eternity is because they have not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Many fail to understand this, for many in this world believe Jesus existed but that is not true faith. True Faith is believing He was who He claimed and that His work of being the Propitiatory sacrifice on the Cross paid for their sins. That is why we have so many shallow church members because they fail to believe on the Only Begotten Son of God, fail to believe He was incarnate God, Fail to Believe He died for their sins, Fail to Believe He rose again to prove He and only He can provide eternal Life. But their works don't send them to hell any more than works can send one to heaven. The believer is rewarded for their works whether good of intrinsic value or whether done from the human side. Good of intrinsic value works bring rewards of gold, silver and precious stones while human works of the believer brings wood, hay and straw. Wood, hay and straw come as the believer walks in the flesh that is walks carnally in sin and performs good deeds while not walking under the control and influence (filling) of the Holy Spirit. Not walking in the Christian Way of Life which is found in Ephesians 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

So what is the opposite of being filled with the Spirit?
Being filled with sin.

What would a believer not walking in the Spirit be walking in?

Walking in sin that is under the control and influence of the fleshly nature which is in them.

But they are at the same time still indwelt by the Holy Spirit, we caome right back to 1 Corinthians 3,
16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

There it is again if a believer walks in sin and defiles the temple him God shall destroy or should we say God will turn them over to satan for destruction of the flesh that the soul might be saved. How does one defile the temple of God which is their body?
By practicing sin, God will not destroy a believer who sins and practices confession, he will destroy the believer who continues to walk in sin and thus defiles the Temple of God which temple the believer is.

 

The "ye".....in vs16.....is plural.....not individual....ye corporately are the temple of God...
Someone who comes against the body is destroyed here.

All persons give account for all that is done in their bodies....their works.

 

Let's look at what you just said here
16 Know ye (corporately the temple)
not that ye (corporately the temple)
are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

"The Spirit of God dwelleth in you", now we have a problem with the corporate theorythe Spirit dwells in you that has to be the individual and being so we that each and every believer has the Holy Spirit dwelling in them and as such each individual Believer is the Temple of the Holy Spirit, why because HE DWELLS in each and every one of us!

Here is the interlinear Greek to English of verse 16,
Not ye have perceived that Temple of God ye are and the Spirit of The God is Homing in You!

This is not the corporate members of the church but in each and every individual believer the Holy Spirit is Homing that is living in us each and every believer. Just as He came upon each and every believer at Pentecost who were present in that room. He has indwelt each and every person who receives Christ upon that receipt. He also fills them at Salvation that is they are under His influence and control. But when we allow sin to come into our lives we are no longer filled with the Spirit but we are still indwelt by the Spirit. That is why Ephesians 5:18 Paul commands us to be filled in Spirit.
It says from the interlinear: And no be ye being drunk to wine in which is profligacy (wastefull) but be ye being filled in Spirit.

That is we are drunk, under the control of sin and wasteful as believers. We are to instead be being filled in Spirit that is under the influence and Control of the Spirit. Notice there is no middle ground, No just one little sin or just partially filled or controlled by the Spirit. We (individually) are controlled by one or the other and not both. One little sin means we are under the control and influence of sin until we (individually confess that one sin, then we are back under the influence and control of the Holy Spirit. We are either in the fleshes control (carnal) or under the Spirits Control (Spiritual.)

 

Does what you say here match up with what is taught in Scripture?

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

1 John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

 

Every statement I made matches up the scripture
these three of four verses that you put here in this post fit under unbelief is sin

 

Rmac
You are wrong in this way....each believer is indwelt by the Spirit. As individuals our bodies are spoken of as a temple.
That is not what I s in view here.Paul speaks of an assembly that has assembled.....it is plural not singular.
I will get to a keyboard soon.....it is easily shown.
Throw that bogus interlinear out....invest in a real interlinear.
Everytime you use it .....you come to a wrong conclusion..
If you do not see it by t h e time I stop....I will post it for you.

 

I guess so. That is what Icon teaches, and you agree with him. Here it is again:

Not much different than what you quoted from those cults is it?

 

This is all very simple. Salvation is through Christ and Him alone.

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

There is no other way to heaven, but through Christ.

I previously said:

The Bible teaches that we get to heaven by his grace. It is not by works, neither are we kept out by certain deeds or misdeeds.

And Icon replied:
"Those who do not enter heaven are denied based on their works...or lack of works done in the body.."

But that is not what the Bible teaches. The Bible teaches that salvation is through Christ alone, through faith in Christ alone, and "not of works." Neither are we kept out because of our misdeeds. Why Icon would deny such basic teaching I cannot understand why?