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Had Protestant "the Spirit of God" plus some spiritual discernment and an ability to study this passage he would have never made the foolish comment he just made. I didn't bother reading the rest of your post. I stopped here when you posted this verse, far out of its context making it mean something it doesn't. Shame on you.

 

Before I was saved, I was (to my shame) very much given to bad language. When I was saved, despite my best efforts, this sin did not immediately disappear from my life. Rude words would pop into my mouth unbidden. I think the Lord left me with this problem for a while to humble me.

My worst experience was when I was being interviewed for the part-time theology course I did. I had been a Christian for about two years. We were in conversation and out came this word! It wasn't one of the very bad ones, but it was enough to cover me in confusion and embarrassment. The chap who was interviewing me was not fazed and I was accepted for the course.

What I would say about the chap in the O.P. is that if he is embarrassed and ashamed by his language, he should continue to pray for victory over it, and if my experience is anything to go by, he will eventually overcome the problem. However, if he's not troubled by his swearing, then that is a possible sign that he's not really saved. A true Christian longs to live a holy life that pleases God.

 

I don't agree with DHK on several points, in fact I'm probably more in line with your beliefs, but you're out of line here with this smear of him. Some things he speaks of in his posts makes my heart jump with joy and I know that at our common foundation his heart is in the same place as mine.

Also, as with another member on board, it seems you have 'Papists on the brain'.

 

I may have missed it, but what is the connection between pictures of the Pope and the subject of the thread?

 

Jesus used many words. If we take them out of context they become meaningless.
Protestant you need to find God's will for your life. Here is some scripture from the gospels to help you.
1. Judas went out and hung himself.
2. Go and do thou likewise.
3. What thou doest do quickly.

Now isn't that excellent advice? It is taken straight from the Word of God, just like you quoted straight from the Word of God, and straight out of its context.

What does this scripture have to do with John R. Rice, or "carnal Christians," as you define them, or disobedient Christians, as you define them? BTW, are you sinless. Be sure to read 1John 1:8,10.
How many commands do you have to break in order be called "carnal" or "disobedient"? It seems to me you have put yourself under the law and taken yourself out of grace.

This scripture:
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

It has nothing to do with the teaching of John R. Rice, nothing to do with carnal Christians, disobedient Christians, nothing to do with trusting Christ as Saviour, etc.
Read the context. Go back and read the entire chapter. He is speaking of unsaved false teachers.
Your accusation is that I am unsaved, specifically an unsaved false teacher--something that is against the rules here. If that is how you are going to behave I invite you to leave BB.

Let's see what the Bible says:
Act 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Act 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Act 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

It seems that the Bible testifies against your works-based salvation. Salvation is by faith alone. The Bible is quite clear on that. How many works did the thief on the cross have before the Lord accepted him? But you, the great arbiter of justice, would condemn this man--because it is you and not God that makes the decision whether or not a man should enter heaven. Isn't that amazing?

1. The passage in Matthew 7 is speaking of false teachers.
2. Biblical Christianity has always been in the minority.

Do a proper exposition of Mat.7:21-23, and demonstrate, using context, that they are speaking of carnal Christians. Until that is done I consider you mistaken.

I don't have the time to answer the rest of this post. Answer what I have given you first.

 

You simply deny the scripture at this point.
Many do, astonishingly. To make your paradigm work there must be a direct denial of 1Cor.3:1-5.

1Co 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
1Co 3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
1Co 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
1Co 3:4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
--He addresses them as brothers: saints in Christ, believers in the Lord.
Then four times in four verses he calls the carnal brethren. At this point your position seems to be a simple denial of the Word. If there was any church that was full of carnal believers it was the Corinthian church, and Paul spends his time correcting and rebuking various carnal lifestyles that they had been practicing. Yes, they were carnal lifestyles, doing on a regular basis.
1. Immorality. It wasn't a one time fling this man had. He was living continually in sin with "his father's wife,"..."such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles." It was a scandal; it was a lifestyle with him.
BTW, Paul never condemns this man as unsaved but indicates that he is a brother in need of the church's care and discipline. An unsaved person would not be disciplined by the church, just not welcomed. The church is for the saved--for their edification.

2. It was a lifestyle (not just occasional), that they would habitually take others to court and sue them. I am not from the U.S. Is this a lifestyle there too?
MacDonald notes:

It was a lifestyle.

3. The abuse of the spiritual gifts, especially tongues, was not a one time event. It was continuous. It was their lifestyle, their mode of worship as it were.
--And on it goes. These were carnal Christians with carnal lifestyles. Were they all unsaved. That is not what Paul says.

God is not pleased with many things. He is not pleased with your attack on John R. Rice.

Context:
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
--As 1Cor.3:1-4 shows there are carnal Christians.
This passage is directed toward believers and their carnality. The "carnal mind" of the believer are those believers who give into their sin nature and live "as if they were unsaved." They do not please God, for they are not being subject to the law of God. They cannot, as long as they remain in this state.

The book of Hebrews says the same thing.
Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
--If you are not walking by faith, living by faith, praying by faith, etc. you are not pleasing God either, and you also fall into the same category as carnal. A carnal prayer is a prayer of unbelief, or a prayer said "for the congregation" instead of "TO God." You know what I mean. There is a lot of carnality among true Christians. "And they that are in the flesh (this sinful state) cannot please God."

And you aren't there 24/7 to judge them. Neither are you their judge and arbiter. God is.

No argument.

But it does not demand perfection. John 1:8,10.

Get your head out of the clouds. The Christian life was never promised to be easy. But it is rewarding.

The reason a Christian who lives a carnal life is miserable is because he is being disobedient and God the Father is chastening his child. He wouldn't be miserable if he wasn't truly a child of God.

Do you have any carnal ways you need to repent of?? Perhaps you do. 1John 1:9 was written for a purpose. You shouldn't be judging others of their salvation.

A true statement.
1Jn 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
1Jn 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
--John never would have written the above verses had not some believers fallen into worldliness, would he have? The verses would have been redundant.

 

Protestant no where says he believes in a "works salvation"
He understands the biblical salvation of grace....yet you falsely accuse him as is your M.O.

Protestant...did I miss something? Have you ever suggested a works salvation...or is this another lie?

 

When you accuse a person use the quote function. Until you do, or quote me word for word, I will consider your words as idle words.

Matthew 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

 

So....where did Protestant say he believes in a works salvation.....show me how to use the quote function,by using his exact words in a quote. Or....do you confess this idea came from your mind and you project it towards him falsely.
Just show one time.....just once that he did this!

 

This does not look like you believe in a works based gospel at all.
Why would someone suggest you say that ?

 

you said this....
DHK

So....where did Protestant say he believes in a works salvation.....show me how to use the quote function,by using his exact words in a quote. Or....do you confess this idea came from your mind and you project it towards him falsely.
Just show one time.....just once that he did this!

I notice you said this also;

Show me where he said this also???

 

Every time you sin it is out of your carnal nature, your sin nature--right?
Are you admitting to entire sanctification. Need I spell out for you 1John 1:8,10:

1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
--That is quite a heavy burden you bear--sinless perfection!!
It makes 1John 1:9 totally irrelevant for the believer. Why on earth did John write it in the first place?

1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
--All sin comes from a carnal heart.

Are you perfectly holy in your walk with God 100% of the time? Really?

The key words here are "who has called us" He has called to this purpose with a holy calling.That doesn't mean we won't fail.

When broken down to its foundational components you end up believing entire sanctification and your beliefs resemble those that are more closely related to Finney than Calvin.

Much of the time God's people are willing. You discount progressive sanctification or spiritual growth, "backsliding," or the chastening of the hand of God on his disobedient child, etc. You are a perfectionist when it comes to the Christian walk. You appear to believe that the Christian must never sin, for all sin is out of the carnal nature. No sin is from the spiritual nature is it?

 

I did not say; "Protestant [/b]believes in a works salvation[/b] did I?
I said "it SEEMS that you believe in a works salvation. There is a big difference. The word means: to appear to believe, have the appearance, similitude, seem, etc. I didn't say that is what he believed.

I just did.

This is what he said concerning John R. Rice, and later about me. I believe the same as Rice does.

John R. Rice does not have the Spirit of Christ; he is accursed.
In his mind those that are "carnal" are not saved.
That is his position. He is wrong.

 

Anyone who agrees with John R. Rice.
Anyone who agrees with my position is unsaved.

Here Protestant calls me a carnal Christian and unsaved.
Yes, I had an initial act of faith and called upon the Lord.
He is insecure in such a testimony and will deny my salvation.

He misuses Mat.7:21ff, which speaks about false teachers and not carnal believers as he supposes.
He is wrong.
As I said in my reply to him, such vitriolic posting is not needed here.
If you agree with such posting you are welcome to leave as well. Calling or inferring to your brothers and sisters in Christ as unregenerate will not be tolerated.