Featured Free Grace Theology: Mocking God?

I agree the rhetoric may seem extreme, but the fact is the teaching makes allowance for professing believers to live in accordance with the lifestyles given in the OP. There is nothing in Scripture assuring any person living a lifestyle of sin that eternal life is their's - quite the opposite is presented in the Scriptures. FGT conflates evidence of salvation with works and the system is a reaction against so-called Lordship Salvation which became more well known after MacArthurs book 'The Gospel According to Jesus'. However, Macs book only reiterated what the church fathers, Puritans and other Divines had taught for years.

 

From looking in on BB for a long while it is assumed you are speaking of savedbymercy, the resident hyper-calvinist? There is nothing hyper-cal in the OP nor in what I believe brother. Presumably the above post is your attempt to castigate and draw ridicule on a brother.

 

Agreed wholly on this issue. Having come from a church background heavily influenced by DTS and FGT teachings, it was taught to professing believers that; 1) There is no evidence of regeneration; 2) Preaching of evidence of salvation is a works-based religion; 3) Say this prayer and you are going to heaven; 4) One can apostatize from the faith and is still saved if they prayed a prayer to be saved (Romans 10:13) because, in its circular reasoning 'God cannot lie' (referring back to Romans 10:13).

In the Gospel of Paul and Christ there is no such teaching of assurance of salvation for those who sow to the flesh, but quite the contrary. The passage you've given supports this, and so also Galatians 5:19 and following, to which 6:7-8 are in the same context which is used in the OP.

 

You also are all over the place. You say that it is a false accusation, by implication, that these advocate salvation for those who live a licentious lifestyle, then below you affirm what they teach and are in agreement with it.

The above teaching is antinomian and is the same things taught by DTS and FGT, and is, in fact advocating a licentious lifestyle.

 

Thanks for the slanderous remarks, brother. Can you show me in the OP where it is 'stating' that those who follow FGT are mocking God? The fact is that you cannot and that you are assuming then slandering. That is not at all what I stated.

My point is to show that teaching others that living in iniquity, they can still be assured they are saved, is to 'Be deceived' and that 'God is not mocked'. Note the '?' on the OP title.

I agree that FGT teaches the sufficiency of the cross, no one doubts that, nor do I deny that. Can you show in the OP or elsewhere that I've denied this? The OP is focused not on that portion of its teaching, but on another, and its outcome.

The OP is about how it treats those professing believers who live a lifestyle of iniquity. No need to underline, I am in full agreement concerning sanctification being a product of regeneration. The teachings of FGT deny this, when making eternal life an assurance to those who live in iniquity - that is the point of the OP, not the false accusations you've given, laden with insults.

It is an attempted mockery of God to teach that living in iniquity will equal eternal life reaped.

 

Thanks brother, that is my point. I regret all the name calling and scorning in this thread, it is sad to behold. Those that have done so are most likely good brothers in Christ and that's how I will leave it.

 

Part of the problem with theological disciplines such as FGT is the focus of the evangelistic effort. It has become increasingly popular to ask 'Would you like to know that you will go to heaven when you die'? In my opinion this is peddling the Word of God; 2 Cor. 2:17.

Of course people want to know this, but it is not biblically accurate. The logical outcome is then that people are being assured they are going to heaven when they die. But this is not the main concern of the transforming Gospel message at all. Recently I spoke with a woman who has lived a lifestyle of adultery, immorality, yet in a church here she prayed a prayer. I did ask her from what Christ came to save her from and she responded 'From Hell'. This is partly true but at the same time is way off. I expressed that He came to save His people from their sins, and she wanted none of that while at the same time she was guaranteeing that even in her life of sin she is 'going to heaven'.

The fact is Jesus did come to save His people from their sins. This is the focus of the Gospel; Matthew 1:21. The sinner, under influence of the Gospel message becomes one who is aware of his sinful state, Matthew 11:25-30; Luke 18:13; Psalm 79:9; note also Psalm 51:10, and of his need for mercy and salvation from sin. The point of focus of true biblical salvation is just that - salvation from sin, and also these: Sanctification; Hebrews 12:14; 2 Cor. 7:1; Being conformed to the image of Christ; Romans 8:29. Note that all believers are being transformed, not merely a few who have 'decided' to become disciples; 2 Cor. 3:18.

The thrust of the Gospel is to save His sheep and to transform them into the image of Christ - every single one of them, and this decree will not fail. To preach eternal life reaped for living in iniquity is foreign to Scripture and is a deformed gospel, and many are being deceived by this false promise and message.

 

Fair enough.

Actually I nailed it, your intentions were noted and were willfully meant to denigrate a brother and be divisive. Anyone can see that.

 

Thanks Don, and yes, you are presuming although incorrectly, and if you find it 'superficial' it is due to the fact that it wasn't a comprehensive examination of the event. The context of the discussion with the woman is that it was OK for her to live in sin, because 'she is going to heaven' no matter what, as she was a professing believer because she had once prayed a prayer. However she continued in her life of sin. She practiced adultery, was into pornography. There was more to end the dialog with the woman as well - it was an opportunity to share with her that Christ came to set us free from the bondage of sin.