The Casual gospel

[Iconoclast]

DHK,

Salvation is by faith in Christ.
Repentance is the fruit of salvation. If it isn't then you preach a gospel of works

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I didn't know the Apostles preached a works gospel then???

Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 11:18
When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

Acts 20:21
Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

Acts 26:20
But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

 

[Internet Theologian]

Could you outwardly judge that the thief on the cross was a transformed saved person?

Yes. Can you?

And just by the giving of your question above you prove that you are part and parcel to preaching the things in the OP yourself.

No more pretense of ignorance from you means that we can then really talk.

 

[Internet Theologian]

Yes. Can you?

DHK,


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I didn't know the Apostles preached a works gospel then???

Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 11:18
When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

Acts 20:21
Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

Acts 26:20
But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

It's amazing, to say the least, that those who preach repentance is something man does are so willing to say that those who preach it is necessary for salvation are 'preaching works salvation'.

Unless God grants repentance there will be neither repentance nor salvation.

 

[DHK]

It's amazing, to say the least, that those who preach repentance is something man does are so willing to say that those who preach it is necessary for salvation are 'preaching works salvation'.

Unless God grants repentance there will be neither repentance nor salvation.

A favorite verse taken out of context by Calvinists who remain oblivious to its true meaning.

 

[Iconoclast]

DHK

Who teaches this?

Based on what you post...it might just be you. Do you have a sermon or two, or you teaching a class on these topics...let us listen, post the link and let us hear it. we will be in a better position to figure this out.

.the op said;Emotionally charged messages, life-coaching, impressive personalities may be status quo but there is no need for a transforming message, and there is then no transforming message given.


Who are you accusing? Who does this? No evidence. Just hearsay.

nonsense these messages are a dime a dozen

Heb12:14

The verse is speaking of positional holiness. Otherwise you have a problem.

1. How holy is “holy”?

2. Are you as holy as God is holy?

3. If you were to stand before God right now and he were to ask you: “Why should I let you into my heaven,” what would you answer? Would you say “Because I am holy enough”?

4. If holiness is the marker and it doesn’t refer to positional holiness you simply have a religion of works, and that is not what Christianity is.

It is clear by this response that you lack understanding on sanctification.this is terrible.

The op said;Obeying Christ is considered optional as well. Yes, Jesus said His sheep follow Him and obey His voice; John 10:27, but one does not have to be one of those type of sheep.
you say
Hearsay. Who teaches this? Be specific or stop laying false accusations.

You have taught these things on BB with your false carnal Christian ideas. You teach this right here denying heb 12 actually means what it says here and now.

Now you are really out to lunch! No Baptist church teaches that baptism is optional.

some are very lax on it....

So who are you speaking about. Come clean! What pole are you hiding behind?

He is speaking about many churches....they broadcast these very things over the radio.

False accusations are wrong and unethical.

Yes...keep that in mind

 

[Iconoclast]

A favorite verse taken out of context by Calvinists who remain oblivious to its true meaning.

Another verse you are clueless on and demonstrates you should not be in a teaching position anywhere. Any cal who teaches this knows what you do not.
This is why you attack 24/7

 

[DHK]

Yes. Can you?

And just by the giving of your question above you prove that you are part and parcel to preaching the things in the OP yourself.

No more pretense of ignorance from you means that we can then really talk.

He was a thief hanging on the cross as a criminal who had done the outward deeds of a thief and bearing the punishment thereof. The conversation between him and Christ was private. All you see is a thief crucified, perhaps, as the other thief did, exchange a few words with Christ. But you don't know what they are. You are not within hearing distance. The only reason you know what is said is because it is recorded in Scripture. How would you be able to tell that he was a saved individual? Are you omniscient as God?

 

[Internet Theologian]

DHK Based on what you post...it might just be you. Do you have a sermon or two, or you teaching a class on these topics...let us listen, post the link and let us hear it. we will be in a better position to figure this out.

I hear you but think there has been enough on here from him to get the gist of what he preaches.

nonsense these messages are a dime a dozen

Heb12:14

He has his flock to fly the flag for and cheerleaders on here. The things in the OP are preached daily and are heard on many radio broadcasts. It's easier for those natural to do these things than it is to pay a price for standing against the lies being preached.

It is clear by this response that you lack understanding on sanctification.this is terrible.

Agreed.

You have taught these things on BB with your false carnal Christian ideas. You teach this right here denying heb 12 actually means what it says here and now.

Fact!

some are very lax on it....

He is speaking about many churches....they broadcast these very things over the radio.

Yep.

Yes...keep that in mind

Many here have been assaulted by these from him.

 

[Internet Theologian]

He was a thief hanging on the cross as a criminal who had done the outward deeds of a thief and bearing the punishment thereof. The conversation between him and Christ was private. All you see is a thief crucified, perhaps, as the other thief did, exchange a few words with Christ. But you don't know what they are. You are not within hearing distance. The only reason you know what is said is because it is recorded in Scripture. How would you be able to tell that he was a saved individual? Are you omniscient as God?

Back to your question:

Could you outwardly judge that the thief on the cross was a transformed saved person?

My answer is yes. Now, can you?

 

[Iconoclast]

A favorite verse taken out of context by Calvinists who remain oblivious to its true meaning.

here your agenda comes through once again.....no one else does this...only you, every thread, then after we respond you make threats or accusations...
Can you show any other moderator who does this?
I know most of the moderators do not hold what we do...most are a mix.
and yet they do not engage in this......you just asked I.T. if he thought he was omniscient???

 

[DHK]

Back to your question:

My answer is yes. Now, can you?

My answer was already given to Icon. But apparently you didn't understand. Unless you are God Almighty with the attribute of omniscience you would not be able to understand. Read what I said to Icon.

Luk 23:27 And there followed him a great company of people, and of women, which also bewailed and lamented him.

Luk 23:35 And the people stood beholding. And the rulers also with them derided him, saying, He saved others; let him save himself, if he be Christ, the chosen of God.
Luk 23:36 And the soldiers also mocked him, coming to him, and offering him vinegar,
--There was a great crowd present. There is no way you would be able to comprehend the discussion that went on. If you were there you would see a common thief die as a common thief with no apparent change in his life. You wouldn't be able to hear the discussion that took place. What makes you think you would?

 

[Martin Marprelate]

Salvation is by faith in Christ.
Repentance is the fruit of salvation. If it isn't then you preach a gospel of works.

Not so, my friend.
Mark 1:15 (along with Matt. 4:17, the first recorded words of Jesus' public ministry): "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent and believe in the Gospel." Repentance and faith are the two legs on which we enter the kingdom of God. Our faith is to be a repentant faith and our repentance to be a believing repentance. No one ever hopped into the kingdom. There are no Long John Silvers going in on one leg crying, "I believe, I believe!" If sin is not repented of and repudiated; just as there is no one going in sorrowing over his sins without faith in the Saviour.

True faith, the faith that saves is not belief that there was someone called Jesus of Nazareth who lived a long time ago and did some good stuff. The faith that saves sees oneself as a poor lost sinner whom God would be quite justified in throwing into hell, turns away from sin and any hope of self-reformation, and lays hold of the Lord Jesus Christ as a drowning man might lay hold of a lifebelt. 'Now when they heard this, they were cut to the quick [ie. convicted of sin] and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Men and brethren, What shall we do?" Then Peter said to them, "Repent..........' (Acts 2:37-38).

 

[DHK]

here your agenda comes through once again.....no one else does this...only you, every thread, then after we respond you make threats or accusations...
Can you show any other moderator who does this?
I know most of the moderators do not hold what we do...most are a mix.
and yet they do not engage in this......you just asked I.T. if he thought he was omniscient???

What are you talking about. If you want to know the meaning of the verse then ask. I maintain that the average Calvinist takes the verse out of context and attaches a meaning to it that it doesn't have, just like what was done recently with Heb.12:14. But you won't admit that either.

 

[DHK]

Not so, my friend.
Mark 1:15 (along with Matt. 4:17, the first recorded words of Jesus' public ministry): "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent and believe in the Gospel." Repentance and faith are the two legs on which we enter the kingdom of God. Our faith is to be a repentant faith and our repentance to be a believing repentance. No one ever hopped into the kingdom. There are no Long John Silvers going in on one leg crying, "I believe, I believe!" If sin is not repented of and repudiated; just as there is no one going in sorrowing over his sins without faith in the Saviour.

True faith, the faith that saves is not belief that there was someone called Jesus of Nazareth who live a long time ago and did some good stuff. The faith that saves sees oneself as a poor lost sinner whom God would be quite justified in throwing into hell, turns away from sin and any hope of self-reformation, and lays hold of the Lord Jesus Christ as a drowning man might lay hold of a lifebelt. 'Now when they heard this, they were cut to the quick [ie. convicted of sin] and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Men and brethren, What shall we do?" Then Peter said to them, "Repent..........' (Acts 2:37-38).

Faith and repentance are two sides of the same coin. If I put my faith in Christ then my life will change. Repentance is a change of mind with respect to one's attitude to God. Putting one's faith in Christ initiates that and accomplishes it. The two go together hand in hand.
However, some teach that they must repent of their sins, or even all of their sins. That is works salvation. Repentance of sins comes after salvation not before. It is called progressive sanctification.

As far as the sermon at Pentecost it was unique.
First it was addressed to the Jews, the very Jews that crucified our Lord. They needed to repent of that very act--killing Christ. There are many things in Peter's sermon that you will never find in any other sermon. It is unique to the Day of Pentecost.

 

[Internet Theologian]

here your agenda comes through once again.....no one else does this...only you, every thread, then after we respond you make threats or accusations...
Can you show any other moderator who does this?
I know most of the moderators do not hold what we do...most are a mix.
and yet they do not engage in this......you just asked I.T. if he thought he was omniscient???

Only the honest will come out and call him on this.

 

[DHK]

Only the honest will come out and call him on this.

I gave an honest answer to the OP. But you haven't bothered to give an honest response back. So why are you even mentioning "honesty"?

 

[JonC]

Not so, my friend.
Mark 1:15 (along with Matt. 4:17, the first recorded words of Jesus' public ministry): "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent and believe in the Gospel." Repentance and faith are the two legs on which we enter the kingdom of God. Our faith is to be a repentant faith and our repentance to be a believing repentance. No one ever hopped into the kingdom. There are no Long John Silvers going in on one leg crying, "I believe, I believe!" If sin is not repented of and repudiated; just as there is no one going in sorrowing over his sins without faith in the Saviour.

True faith, the faith that saves is not belief that there was someone called Jesus of Nazareth who lived a long time ago and did some good stuff. The faith that saves sees oneself as a poor lost sinner whom God would be quite justified in throwing into hell, turns away from sin and any hope of self-reformation, and lays hold of the Lord Jesus Christ as a drowning man might lay hold of a lifebelt. 'Now when they heard this, they were cut to the quick [ie. convicted of sin] and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Men and brethren, What shall we do?" Then Peter said to them, "Repent..........' (Acts 2:37-38).

Also - 2 Corinthians 7:10 For the sorrow that is according to the will of God produces a repentance without regret, leading to salvation, but the sorrow of the world produces death.

 

[Iconoclast]

What are you talking about. If you want to know the meaning of the verse then ask. I maintain that the average Calvinist takes the verse out of context and attaches a meaning to it that it doesn't have, just like what was done recently with Heb.12:14. But you won't admit that either.

I am not even trying to be funny....but you really have no idea what you are talking about.
I know what the verse teaches.... you do not just from what you said so far, in fact you cannot as you have revealed enough of your contorted theology...it is not possible you are going to land on your feet here or anywhere on sanctification.
You start with a wrong base, a wrong foundation, so you are building on sand day after day.

I believe that when someone turns away from truth they go into darkness ...the principle is found here;
35 Then Jesus said unto them, Yet a little while is the light with you. Walk while ye have the light, lest darkness come upon you: for he that walketh in darkness knoweth not whither he goeth.

36 While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them.

Your day in and day out opposition to truth puts you in direct danger of this principle, because it is not the cals who you teach against, but the truth itself...you turn and teach directly against the truth.
many have tried to give you the benefit of the doubt , but many of us have been hammering you these last few months as your increased attacks have brought you into a dangerous predicament.

 

[Iconoclast]

I am not even trying to be funny....but you really have no idea what you are talking about.
I know what the verse teaches.... you do not just from what you said so far, in fact you cannot as you have revealed enough of your contorted theology...it is not possible you are going to land on your feet here or anywhere on sanctification.
You start with a wrong base, a wrong foundation, so you are building on sand day after day.

I believe that when someone turns away from truth they go into darkness ...the principle is found here;
35 Then Jesus said unto them, Yet a little while is the light with you. Walk while ye have the light, lest darkness come upon you: for he that walketh in darkness knoweth not whither he goeth.

36 While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them.

Your day in and day out opposition to truth puts you in direct danger of this principle, because it is not the cals who you teach against, but the truth itself...you turn and teach directly against the truth.
many have tried to give you the benefit of the doubt , but many of us have been hammering you these last few months as your increased attacks have brought you into a dangerous predicament.

the result is ...another thread that is all about you.

 

[Internet Theologian]

I gave an honest answer to the OP. But you haven't bothered to give an honest response back. So why are you even mentioning "honesty"?

No sir you've yet to do so and as I said only the honest who don't fear man will call you on it.

Now I answered your question of the thief on the cross. I said 'I can'.

Now, can you?