Featured 'Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved'

Correct, faith is not given to the unregenerate. All men have faith. It is innate.

Jesus said even little children had faith.
Jesus healed ten lepers "according to their faith." But only one came back. Only one was saved.
Jesus said of an unsaved Roman centurion, that he had greater faith than any one in all Israel, and yet there is no evidence that he was saved.
Many came to Jesus and were healed "according to their faith," but were not necessarily saved.
All men have faith.

You can't see the contradiction in your own statement here??
God doesn't give the unregenerate faith. I didn't call God asinine; I called your position asinine. Get it straight!! God does not have to give the unregenerate faith; all men have faith.

To the saved, there is a spiritual gift (or was) called the gift of faith.
To the saved, there is a fruit of the Spirit called faith.
God does not give these gifts or fruits to the unsaved. But faith in general--all men have.

It has not been shown. Where has it been shown. I am still waiting. Nowhere does it say that God gives the unregenerate faith. You haven't demonstrated that.

Slow down there "Silver." I stated a fact. I didn't praise anyone.

I didn't mock scripture. I gave you a detailed explanation how that scripture is taken out of context. It refers to a historical event that will never again be repeated in history, and yet you have the gall to use it for any time or any person in history. Nothing like butchering the Word of God is there?

I don't know what you are talking about. The rich man went away sorrowful for he trusted in his riches more than he desired Christ. That is obvious.

It was Christ that said a rich man could enter into heaven. Don't you believe the Scriptures. Paul himself used to be a rich man. Many rich men have entered into heaven.

You are in need of comprehension. Christ did not say it is impossible. He said "How hardly shall a rich man enter into heaven."
In another translation it is put this way:
Mark 10:23 Jesus looked around, and said to his disciples, "How difficult it is for those who have riches to enter into the Kingdom of God!" (WEB)
It is difficult, not impossible.

I give God the glory in salvation. Others prefer to give Calvin the glory. Pity.

 

Sigh... You're missing the point. There is no verse that says "repent of your sins" as a condition of salvation. Once a person is justified before God, of course they will repent of their sins, and as a new creature in Christ they will not want to continue in their old sinful ways.

But you will not find "repent of your sins and you will be saved" in the Bible. That is a works based salvation. That is something man does to find favor with God.

I can't believe that Calvinists can't comprehend this!

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or maybe not...
3 Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you:

2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.

you cannot find any verse that says....."faith is innate"
There is no verse in all Scripture that says;."faith is innate"
It is unbiblical borderline heresy. The Bible does not teach it. You have never given one scripture that advocates it.

We are talking about saving faith so this is useless.


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All of them. That is why the statement (used by many preachers), is so unbiblical. No man can repent of all his sins, much less remember them. The Lord never puts that requirement on the unsaved. The statement never should be used by anyone. Don't tell me that is not what is meant by it. That is not the point. If an unsaved person hears a preacher tell him to do that, that is what he thinks. He doesn't know your "Bible-speak."

 

nonsense;
http://www.chapellibrary.org/files/5613/7643/3319/prov.pdf

 

Your post is answered by the links,and 1thess 1 and prov28:13

I offer you a counter argument....and you agreed.

 

Young's Literal Translation:
(YLT) and that we may be delivered from the unreasonable and evil men, for the faith is not of all;
IOW, it is "the faith," or the gospel message. All men are not saved. Faith always has an object. In the KJV the object is implied. "all men have not faith "in the gospel." They do have faith in many other things.

There is no verse that says automobile either; not even Christology--does that mean we ought to never study about Christ or ride in a vehicle?
I have already demonstrated that faith is innate. Jesus used the example of little children having faith.
Those that he healed had faith but were not necessarily saved. Faith is innate.

This speaks to the statement "repent of all your sins." It is not in the Bible. You haven't found it yet have you?

Faith is faith.
Saving faith is when one has Jesus Christ and his atoning work on the cross as the object of his faith.
The nature of faith is always the same. It is the object of faith that is important.

We are not mystics. We don't grow faith. It is not given to us in a vacuum. It is not mystical or existential. It is trust or confidence in what God has promised.

 

See my answer to your question here:
http://www.baptistboard.com/threads...d-you-will-be-saved.97511/page-9#post-2194309

 

There you go again making it appear I said something I didn't say. You say it is absurd when we show you God grants faith. You mock it. Then you say man already has it. Man has it, but you ridicule where we show God grants it to men instead. Hmmmm.

So do all unregenerate. Is this amazing to you? In his condition salvation is impossible with him, yet you teach it is possible because he has innate faith according to you. Again, the Christ of God says it is impossible. Wonder who is correct, you, or the Christ of God? I'm staying with the latter, the former is out on a limb and denying that what Christ said here is in fact true.

Ahhhh, here you go with the implied 'you don't believe Scriptures' argument. I believe what Christ said, it is impossible. You believe it is possible.

Really? He didn't? Here it is: "But Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” - Matthew 19:26

Why are you denying that Christ said it? You are also denying it to be factual by arguing with man it is possible against the very words of Christ that you deny to be in the text. Again, wonder who is correct here?

It is difficult, not impossible are your words, not God's and frankly they sound eery. Why? Because that is pure works based soteriology and you my friend are teaching it! You are providing proof that you are teaching it is possible with man. To you it is hard, but MAN CAN DO IT!!! That is your mancentric message and you are preaching it right there above, adding to the Word of God.

But here is Christ yet again, saying something you claim He did not say:

But Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” - Matthew 19:26

More false accusations. Where did I quote Calvin? Was it when I told you that it was impossible for man to be saved, quoting the words of my Lord that you flipped out and thought this was Calvinisim'?

Show me where I quoted Calvin. Any honest person can plainly see all of my apology here was based on what Christ said and in rejecting your man centered ideology.

But dhk, I'm proud of you, yet again you are able to deceive yourself and put a spin on Scripture even denying that the Lord said what I quoted Him to say.

Twice.

Not one time did I say rich men can't be saved. But that is what you do, fabricate and distort Scripture (and my words) just as Jesus attributed this to others in the Scriptures. This twisting and casting doubt on what God said began in the garden.

What I did say is that the Christ of God said that salvation is impossible with men. All you are doing in your many words is taking what He said and making salvation possible for men when Christ showed this to be untrue.

No dhk you're not giving God the glory, you're giving man the glory.

I knew you could do it!

 

Note above in my response that he says Christ did not say 'it is impossible'. He said this twice and is arguing that it is possible with man. Add to that his usual twisting of words.

 

You're so close but so far away. You're arguing for man, attempting to make repentance and salvation possible with man, while at the same time saying repentance, in its true definition is impossible. Yep. Sure is. Each and every aspect of salvation is impossible with man.

The fact remains it is not possible with man, and man should be perplexed just as the disciples were 'Who then can be saved'? You only got three accurate words in your post above. I made those words bold, italicized, underlined.

 

Question #2 is begging the question.
Your question fails because it assumes the definition of repentance is "turn from your sin". It does not. It means to have a change of mind about Messiah.

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"InTheLight,

Calvinists do not teach or say that.

 

No we don't teach this but that is the recourse they decide to take.

It is apparent we Calvinists believe salvation, in all of its aspects to be impossible with man.

It is also apparent the resident anti-cal believes salvation is possible with man ('It is difficult, not impossible' he says) and, he has said Christ did not say that. It's all quoted above.

Saying 'It is difficult, not impossible' (salvation) literally proves that to be a works-based salvation. Take note all of you.

 

Oh, C'mon man! You posted this yesterday (quoted below.) That excerpt plainly says turning from your sin is a necessity for eternal life:

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We have no right to consider ourselves in the way to eternal life, if we are strangers to repentance. Nor will it suffice to have been at some time alarmed about our sin. A false repentance, which needs to be repented of, satisfies many a deluded soul.

Genuine repentance is a deep-felt and abiding sense of sin, a condemnation of ourselves before God on account of it, a turning away from it with abhorrence and loathing, and a fixed purpose of soul never again to commit it, or be at peace with it. This sense of sin drives the soul to Christ, and unites with the exercise of faith in Christ, to distinguish genuine religion from the counterfeit.

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This was in post #88, by the counting of posts in my browser.

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this does not say what you want it to say.