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Stephen King's short story "Sometimes They Come Back" may be applicable. Barefoot

 

No one denied that Christ is eternally God. No one even denied a triune relationship within the Godhead.

Depending on your definition of "son-ship," your view may very well be heresy. No one here really knows because you have thus far refused to define your position and provide your source. So if you are saying that there never was a time when Christ became obedient and "not-equal" in some way to the Father, then you are putting forward a false doctrine. Brother - you have to define your terms and provide your source to ethically engage this discussion with any amount of integrity.

Why do you believe the doctrine of sonship to be eternal and how do you define sonship?

 

If you recall, Preacher4Truth was not known for his integrity. He got so bad that several members even questioned his salvation - one publically (and that to little if any objection). All he'd have to do is misrepresent himself, and I doubt any of us think it past him. Look at all the repeat and banned trolls we get.

 

Ok, you’re reading Walvoord. I have this one in my library (although not from seminary).

So your objection to my view (taking that you are merely echoing Walvoord) is that I “leave unexplained the mystery of the relation of the first Person to the second Person” of the Godhead. But given my definition and passages, this is not true. I actually relied on John’s explanation of λόγος as the second Person of the Trinity and allowed “son-ship” to be defined as this λόγος becoming flesh.

In other words, we were working off different definitions. I had taken the title “Son of God” to refer to a specific relationship that is embodied in Christ’s earthly life, therefore it could not be an eternal title. There was a specific time when the λόγος became flesh. And Paul informs us that this was a time when the second Person of the Trinity set aside an “equality” with God in submission and obedience.

If, however, you take “Son of God” to be an OT title as well (an eternal title) then I’m fine with that as long as long as you can substantiate your claims. Are there any OT references of the second Person of the Godhead being called the “Son of God”? Also, what is the difference in roles between Christ’s glory (and state with the Father) pre-incarnation/post-resurrection and the time between becoming obedient/setting aside glory and it being regained?

In other words, how do you account for the "new" relationship as Christ sets aside this equality, this glory, and become obedient to the Father in terms of Incarnation within your "eternal son-ship" view? What exactly does "son-ship mean here, anyway (surely you are not just talking about a title)?

 

Good move changing that photo. The other kitten was cute but the photo itself was a bit awkward. Is this your cat?

 

Hey Evan, maybe this will help us move forward. In what ways to you view the role between the persons of the Trinity as changing in terms of kenosis? Or do you believer there was ever a change? Did Christ set aside "equality" with God, and did he become obedient?

 

Again, brother, it seems that the kenosis carries a specific and temporal implication in regards to Christ’s role in relation to the Father (as He became obedient, set aside “equality”, and put aside his own glory until given once again from the Father). How do you account for this in your theory of Son-ship, and what role does John’s explanation of λόγος play in your understanding?

 

I don't think anyone here is claiming that Jesus became less God, brother. How would you describe this relationship of "son-ship" before Jesus became man (apart from "becoming obedient")?