Featured Who is Sanctified in Hebrews 10:29?

How does Acts 15 teach that "Truths are not static?" There is no "change of truth" in Acts 15, because we would have to say that the Jerusalem Council held that men must be under the Covenant of Law and the New Covenant.

As far as have I changed any beliefs? Not really, no. I still maintain the same basic truths the Comforter showed me when I was saved. '

No truth has changed for me.

As far as non-essential positions, sure. And example would be that I have rejected a number of "truths" popularly held, but, this does not change the essential Doctrines taught in Scripture. In order for what you are trying to present to be true, I would have to have changed position in regards to essential truths taught in Scripture, and I cannot think of the first one that has changed.

Because I am preserved by God, and kept by His power, I am not shaken with every doctrine which comes blowing by. I know what I believe, whereas it is quite clear in your posting that you are ignorant of some very basic truths.

Ye, because you have seriously studied this Doctrine and can make an authoritative statement, lol.

Look, not only do you have to show why a Pre-Tribulation Rapture is un-biblical, you have to also who why your position is. And I don't care what position you take I can already tell you, you are not going to do that.

Again you impose your understanding in what I have said, and ask an irrelevant question.

It's very simple, Vooks, the earth is not left desolate except by your belief. When the Millennial Kingdom is established it is not desolate, it is in fact renovated. There will be long life and no enmity between man and animals, and animals and animals. It will be a Kingdom of physical people, beginning first with those who live through the Tribulation, who will have offspring who will, many of them, rebel against God and join Satan in that last battle.

The Rapture of the Church involves every believer, so, if the Rapture happens at Christ's return, we do not have anyone physical among believers because all believers would be in their glorified state. That leaves only unbelievers to have children, and Scripture makes it clear that no unbeliever will enter into that Kingdom.

So again, because attention to detail is foregone, and a desired belief is imposed into Scripture, we have a position that is simply ludicrous and quite in contention with what Scripture actually teaches.

While I believe we can learn from anyone, not sure why you think teaching contrary doctrines that are easily seen to be in conflict with Biblical Doctrine is instilling wisdom in someone.

And for the record, I look to my Teacher for wisdom.

And as far as being defensive, there is no need to be defensive when we actually know why we believe what we believe, and can show that from the Word of God.

Now, I would ask you this: what spirit is it that makes you think you can be offensive and correlate that to God?

This is just discussion, Vooks, where does all your animosity come from? I can actually help you with that: you are really no different than anyone who once held to certain beliefs but now...has the truth. lol

Go look through the other threads. Analyze the character of others who say they once believed something other than what they do now. You will see a familiar trait among every single one of them.

Personally, I think it is a sub-conscious embarrassment that they were wrong before, lol. And it doesn't matter what it was before:

"I use to be a____________ (Catholic, Protestant, Dispensationalist, Fundamental, Pre-Trib, Premillennial...Christian...), but now I am not, now I have the truth, and you (one still holding to their former beliefs) are deceived!"

There's a handful of you guys (and gals) on every single forum.

But guess who's doctrine has remained constant, and who has the ability to hold a discussion and focus on the doctrine?

Not you guys. You have to insult, you have to ignore the Scripture, and you have to go outside of Scripture to support your views. Well guess what, Scripture teaches clearly that just saying something is not the equivalent of reality.

The analogy doesn't works, Vooks, because salvation is a singular topic. We don't liken standard belief with salvation, James makes that clear when he states :You believe in God? You do well, the devils also believe and tremble."

Demons know the veracity of Jesus Christ, does this mean they are/can be/will be saved?

Another misconception that the L.O.S.T. and even those who do understand Eternal Security have is to think that the unregenerate cannot know truth. That is not the case.

If it were...no-one would be saved.

No man is saved apart from the enlightening of the Comforter, Who ministers to the unregenerate:



John 16:7-9

King James Version (KJV)

7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;


This is the singular truth that is not properly considered by both Calvinists and Arminians. Arminians have, though, fallen into compounding their error of ascribing ability to men with, surprise surprise, loss of salvation. Because they do not understand how one is saved, they do not understand that eternal life is in fact eternal life.

Calvinists teach that men are regenerate...then they believe. But that creates the problem for them, which conflicts with their view of Eternal Security, that we must equally conclude with the Arminian that salvation is not in fact eternal, because we have examples of those who did receive the truth and willfully reject it.

So at this point we should examine your understanding of Apostasy, this may help you understand what Scripture teaches about the apostate, and what their condition is.


God bless.

 

Sorry, no, your point is seen to be running away from an examination of what Scripture teaches about Apostasy. You throw around Theological terms, but, your very use of them and the context you use them in shows your understanding to be quite erroneous.

Hence questions you pose like "What was Christ sanctified from (which shows an understanding of imposing a removal of sin from Christ Himself)?"

You say believers can be Apostate, now show me that in Scripture.


God bless.

 

You, Vooks, are not the Holy Spirit.

According to your testimony you have been saved for a couple months. Believe it or not, I am very happy to see you on the forum seeking to defend your faith, but, you are going to need to learn how to study Scripture. Right now you are imposing doctrine into it, rather than seeking to understand the Doctrine that is taught by it.


God bless.

 

You, Vooks, tread underfoot the Son of God when you teach that His Sacrifice does not bring remission of sins.

You are rejecting the Sacrifice which is sanctified, set apart by the Writer and the Holy Ghost...from the sacrifices of the Law.

You are resisting the very Holy Ghost Who has, if you are saved, already shown you that the Sacrifice of Christ is the only means of salvation.

What you replace that with is human effort. You now have a clean slate but you better not sin. The hypocrisy of this view is tragic. You try to say that in view in Hebrews 10 are believers who cannot, like you, ask for forgiveness and "remain" saved.

And the fundamental error is not understanding the finality of salvation in Christ. One is either in Christ, or they are not.

This is why you, and all of the L.O.S.T. (loss of salvation teachers) must make the unbelievers, the Apostates...believers. This is why you cannot see that two groups are in view, believers and unbelievers.

And this is why you do not want to enter into new territory in examining this issue, because you know you are not familiar with passages which actually speak of apostasy.


God bless.

 

"Being made holy" means being set apart. It means being designated as holy. It means...holy.

Again you impose your erroneous understanding of it and make it to mean Christ was "made holy" in a sense of being cleansed of sin.

Again, Christ is sanctified in the verse in relation to the Sacrifice, which is, now listen, set apart from the sacrifice of the Law.

Believers are sanctified, now listen, from the unbelievers. In other words they are set apart from the world and unto God. Not "made holy" in the sense you impose into it, which projects a picture of Super-Saint.

I am holy, set apart from the world, and unto God. That is a positional sanctification, not a practical holiness. I am being sanctified in a progressive manner when we enter a context of holiness being that of a righteous standing.

Christ was sanctified in His Death, that is, His death is set apart specifically by the Writer from the other sacrifices he is speaking about in the Chapter, which are the sacrifices of the Law.

Again...


Hebrews 10:1-4

King James Version (KJV)

1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.


This is just basic, Vooks: the sacrifices of the Law could not take away sins, and bring the "comer thereunto" (the one offering the sacrifice) perfect.

Christ's did.

Where remembrance of sins is the characteristic of sacrifice for sins under the Law, it is not the characteristic of the the Sacrifice for sins.

You refuse to see the contrasts being drawn. I told you, read the Book ten times, and it will become understandable, because you will become familiar with the Book as one continuous teaching, rather than where you, and the rest of the L.O.S.T. (loss of salvation teachers) are, which is a disjointed and cherry-picked understanding which has your theology imposed into it.

This is why it is absurd to realistically think that an Inspired Writer of Scripture is saying two opposing things and both can be true.

Just do this: read Chapter Ten ten times.

I dare you.

I am quite confident if you set your personal desire for what you want it to say, and simply rely on God to help you understand it...He will do that.

Out of time, Vooks, so get busy!




God bless.

 

Yes, I want to look at every instance of Apostasy in Scripture. We can't just base a position from one passage. We need to have a consistent teaching throughout Scripture. Scripture doesn't teach one thing in one passage and something completely opposite in another.

So let's continue, please provide another passage that is dealing with Apostasy.


God bless.

 

And just a quick comment here: it does not say "Cast not away your salvation," but, is speaking about confidence.

The irony here is that if salvation is our confidence, rather than the Biblical view that salvation is only through Christ, then, we create once more a paradox.

Salvation is never, never, never, Vooks, taught to be a "reward." The very opposite is the the consistent teaching of Scripture, that salvation is bestowed on those who do not merit salvation.

Here is an example:



Ephesians 2:8-10

King James Version (KJV)

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.


Here is another:



Romans 4

King James Version (KJV)

1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.


You might say, well, see, it says reward.

But consider what he is saying, Vooks, he is saying the exact opposite of what your doctrine teaches, making salvation a reward, quite opposite of what Paul teaches here. Salvation is not a reward for efforts we put forth, this would make God in debt to men, and that is not ever going to happen, because man is dependent on righteousness being imputed, and this through faith.


God bless.

 

Coward.




God bless.

 

We are going to draw you out of your mind, Vooks, and get you into the Word of God.

Your doctrine must conform to what Scripture teaches, and right now you conform it to what you want to believe.


Gods bless.

 

Where are your passages on Apostasy, Vooks. You are the loss of salvation teacher, surely you can support your own doctrine.


God bless.