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I don't know all their beliefs, but I do know that if you have not been baptized, regardless of anything else, you will die lost. Plus, it is CoC or lost with them. They're old school CoC ppl.

 

I made mention to one of them a while back(years ago) about the baptism being an answer of a good conscience towards God and for not putting away the filth of the flesh and they said they would hate to stand before God without a good conscience. In my mind, I waved the proverbial white flag.

 

Exactly right.

Many misunderstand the issue as pertaining to merit, even among its adherents. They simply do not have their hope in Christ, but their baptism (or prayer, etc)

But many believe it pertains to access - and after they've done "their part", their faith is squarely aimed at Christ.

This issue of "my part" is tricky indeed. How does one convey responsibility without giving someone something to do?

Most people don't seem to be able, and that's where we get prayers, confessions, etc as requirements in many circles

 

I would definitely suggest you do not evangelize him/them. Not because of him, but becaus of you

You don't understand the issues well enough. Your style does nothing except entrench people in what they already believe.

It's similar to a scenario about 17 years ago, where a Baptist friend of mine was "debating" a Jehovah's Witness. Neither one knew the scriptures, neither one understood the other's position, and both had been indoctrinated.

So they start off disagreeing, and the first point the JW makes, my buddy comes to me and asks about it. So I helped him understand it, and he goes full throttle and stumped the JW, who in turn eent and asked his dad. So he comes back and makes a point that brings my buddy back to me. And on and on.

After 5 or 6 bats of the birdie, I told my buddy I would not answer any more questions, and he needed to give up his efforts before he ended up being converted.

The only difference is that you are up against someone who is capable, and you're not.

I'll say this with all sincerity, John. You need to stop trying to proselytize, before you end up against someone who is able to twist your thinking just right. If you're not careful, you're just liable to be converted to one of these fringe groups or a cult

 

I already know I'm a [Name calling edited], thanks. That doesn't mean I'm wrong.

And God doesn't intentionally use falsehood to counter falsehoods. At the very least, you need biblical training. Not more indoctrination, but scripture.

And I'm only concerned about you, for real. According to your own doctrine, you could potentially become unfruitful or fall away. Those with spurious faith look like genuine converts until That Day reveals the heart.

I'm tring to offer you some words of wisdom. I'd hate to overhear "Lord, Lord, didn't I evangelize in your name? Didn't I street preach? Didn't I hand out enough tracts?"

You need to get fixed firmly on Christ, not some mysterious proposition of election. Then go preach the cross, not the voodoo of you-do.

 

Using the Law is a false gospel which reduces righteousness to a standard of doing and not doing.

You've heard it said, do not _____, but I tell you if you so much as _____"