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You've yet to deal with anything I said in my post, nor any of the Scriptures provided which refute your position. You're merely pitting Scripture against Scripture as if the verses you post refute the others given. They do not and your practice certainly is not 2 Timothy 2:15.

Here is you in a nutshell:

You don't trust the Scriptures given because they are an English translation, by your own words.

You do trust the Scriptures you feel refute the others even though they too are from an English translation

You conveniently trust yourself yet do not trust translations, unless you think they conveniently support your position, then the translation is just fine.

You will not address the passages given.

You hold to a view of 'God' from Scripture that is tainted by your tradition and presuppositions. Therefore any other revealed truth given you in the Scriptures is to be rejected by a misinterpreted proof text you provide. The proof text proves the other Scriptures as plain wrong, and this is exactly how you are using Scripture.

 

...God is love

Words or meanings of words do not translate cleanly. from language to language. English is a difficult language and English versions have translated , as an example, the Hebrew verb nathan " to give" over a hundred different ways.in English. There is a problem with English and a problem with translations.

To determine precise meanings of scripture as we are doing, we must ignore any translations and use the original languages , as best we can.

How do you reconcile these two verses?
Rom 5:8
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

and
Mal 1:3
And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

 

You have no answers for the Scriptures provided and are on a treacherous and unsustainable path. It is remarkable as you fail to even answer any passages given. It is that you cannot, and, if you do you will extort them and think nothing of it.

The 2 verses are reconciled on their own. Romans 5:8 is concerning the elect for whom Christ did die,. and whom He loves - Matthew 1:21.

Malachi 1:3 has context which you conveniently leave off. This verse shows God's love for His elect in comparison to those who are not elect, which is according to His plan and purpose; James 1:18, Ephesians 1:1-5ff, Malachi 1:1-3ff.

[Edited; JonC]:Not that you will concede to truth of Scripture, buy will instead write it off for subjective reasoning (it is an English translation, it is from a commentary, you have deeper insight than all others, and etc. ) but there it is.

 

Cheer up Captain, CAPTAIN!... Call Mr. Worf to escort himAlien to the transporter room and well beam him out of here... "ENERGIZE!"... Brother Glen

 

the character from sponge bob negates any credibility you might have had

 

are in God's wrath because He hates us? or is it our fault and God didn't want us in wrath at all? and even became one of us so we sinners could NOT be in wrath.

ya'll need to use the little brain God has blessed you with.

 

I would just ask, who among those loved of God...was not also a sinner?


God bless.

 

The woman taken in adultery is an illustration of loving the sinner (...neither do I condemn thee) and hating the sin (...go thy way and sin no more).

HankD

 

I read a book and I don't remember what the book was but I remember who the author was an English preacher by the same of William Huntington. The reason I remember the author is that he had an unusual signature William Huntington S.S. (Sinner Saved)... I find it interesting well in my case anyway that when I discovered I was a sinner by conviction and accepted that realization I also found I had a Savior Jesus Christ who was greater than all my sins... And as scripture states Where sin abounded grace did much more abound... Brother Glen

 

Thank the Lord for that brother Glen.

 

This is indeed true, but you won't find it preached or taught often these days. I believe that God has a special love for the elect, and the reprobate he loves in a general sense.

 

There are vessels created for mercy, and vessels created for wrath. The Potter does not love every vessel the same.

 

The expression "God hates the sin, but loves the sinners" defies both clear biblical teaching and common sense. It an expression used by people more worried about approval from the world than approval from God.

I don't hear "God loves the sinner" much anymore. The people who used that false phrase in the past have sunken to the point of refusing to identify sinners as sinners.

 

Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

 

Jacob God loved, Esau he hated, before either was born. God shows his love for Jacob in that Christ died for Jacob and removed his sins. God didn't love Easu.

 

So?

HankD

 

Originally, I thought about just replying "So?" when you just posted a verse. I know the verse. I've read the Bible. If that verse would have changed my view, my view would already have been changed. When you post a verse, you should attempt to tell me how it helps your position. Your posted verse supports me by distinguishing states of sinner and saint, and saying God loves the saint in that while we were sinners, Christ died for us. It doesn't say God loves sinners. God didn't love the sinner Esau. That's what it means when the Bible says God hated Esau.