Featured Historicity of the change of the Sabbath Commandment vs Sola Scriptura

We're not talking about 27 or 270 general fundamentals or whatever, like you try to do.

Here and now we talk about the one fundamental common to SDA and RC, the LIE <<On Sunday when Jesus Resurrected>>.

This is that lie which RC force into Revelation 1:10 and into Barnabas and Ignatius and the Teaching.

Without this lie you won't have a NKJV or Clear Word Bible in perfect agreement ---the one pure Roman Catholic, the other pure SDA.

But Utilian must find something to differ about with the SDA, that's why he has to rely on all these other SDA errors.

News for you, Utilian You and the SDA are best partners, pursuing after a common goal, the demise of the TRUE Sabbath Day the Seventh Day of the week, the day that Jesus Christ ROSE FROM THE DEAD ON.

Proof: BobRyan, <<The Victory was won when Christ died - and celebrated when Christ raised Himself from the dead on week-day-1>>

So, shake hands and hug and kiss one another. How beautiful if brothers speak from the same heart and even the same mouth : THEIR OWN!

 

Half a truth is bigger a LIE than the full lie.

And you know it. And therefore you answer on what you know perfectly well will pass unnoticed for the truth, while it is, your, coarse LIE, SDAs teach a once-for-all completed atoning _sacrifice_, <<on the cross>>, _sacrificed_ once so you're no longer participating in _sacrifice_ actually saying Jesus did not FINISH atonement with his sacrifice, did not even START atonement with his sacrifice, did not even begin making atonement after his ascension, BUT BEGAN MAKING so called 'final atonement' or 'cleansing of the sanctuary' in 1844.

You people, the SDA, are, the most pathetic, of liars.

And still, after longer than a century, you SDA are still so naively stupid as to still, believe it, and worse, still believe you can keep on deceiving True Believers with your nonsensical and blasphemous false teachings.

 

Look at what your LIES have achieved so far, o Seventh-day Adventists, Look at the dear souls of so many True Believers whom YOU, with your satanic false doctrines and indoctrination, have scared away from the embrace of Christ into the killer's grip of the claws of the beast and dragon.

Judgment day is coming, not for the world, but for YOU! For you who shout Sola Scriptura, but Sola the Scriptura of Ellen G. White and SDA 'Inspiration'.

 

I haven't read the entire thread; only the OP and some other scattered posts. I find it odd that in this thread on the Sabbath a majority of posts are made from quotes either from EGW (The Great Controversy) or Catholic Sources. The Bible, for the most part has been ignored.
Bob in his typical fashion has also posted an evangelist, D.L. Moody, who is supposed to lend some authority to his position. Why, I don't know. Let's clear it up. Moody's childhood life was tough. The family was large and his father was an alcoholic. When Moody was saved at the age of 17, he first started attending the Mount Vernon Congregational Church, pastored by Edward Kirk in 1854.

On September 18, 1856, he went to Chicago and joined the Plymouth Congregational Church.

Then he joined the mission band of the First Methodist Church, visiting and distributing tracts at hotels and boarding houses.

He also worked out of the First Baptist Church where he was later married.

In the fall of 1858, he started his own Sunday School in an abandoned freight car.
... soon produced the largest Sunday School in Chicago, reaching some 1,500 weekly.

It was in June, 1860, that Moody decided to abandon secular employment and go into the Lord's work full time.

In 1861 Moody became a city missionary for the YMCA.

In 1872, he returned briefly to England where he accepted an invitation to the Arundel Square Congregational Church in London.

Back in Chicago, his beloved church was expanding. On June 1, 1876, and formally dedicated on July 16 with Moody preaching. It was now called the Chicago Avenue Church, and W.J. Erdman was called as pastor.
His church which was renamed Moody Church in 1901 (two years after his death)

The funeral was on December 26 with C.I. Scofield, local Congregational pastor, in charge.
http://www.believersweb.org/view.cfm?ID=82

From the time that he was saved until the time that he died, Moody was under the influence of the Congregational Church and its teaching. He was not/is not a Baptist. To use him or reference him as a Baptism is like using a Lutheran. It doesn't matter to us. He didn't hold to the same doctrine any way. Now that you know, will you please stop posting this nonsense. He was never a Baptist in the first place.

The real contention here is this:

Job 36:13 But the hypocrites in heart heap up wrath:

To claim to keep the Sabbath, whether Gentile or Jew, is hypocrisy, unless you are an actual Jew and keep the laws of the OT while doing it.
For example: Do you drive a car on the Sabbath--forbidden.
Do you use electricity--forbidden.
Do you use gas--for heating homes or for any other purpose--forbidden.

Those who simply "play church" and say they are keeping the Sabbath are simply hypocrites saying they are doing one thing but really profaning the Sabbath and not keeping it at all. If they actually lived in the OT, and said they were keeping the Sabbath, they would be stoned to death for doing what they are dong--just like the one who picked up sticks on the Sabbath Day.
Hypocrites. Nothing but hypocrites.

 

I'd like to quote ancient BAPTIST sources......but Baptist didn't exist till 1600s


I think Bob is very sincere to what he's been taught.


Now Gerhard explain this common sense:

You guys swear to God there is nothing He can do, OR I can do to HELP or Hurt my chances at Salvation


So why do FAITH ALONEers whine about anything we do?


Gerhard should you be whining at GOD for not hitting the faith button, switching off our total depravity.

 

The Bible doesn't contradict itself. So taking one verse out of the Book of James and then pitting it against all the rest of the Bible is ridiculous.
Notice what the Bible says here:

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

We are saved by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone.
This is the Biblical way of salvation. Paul makes it very clear here that salvation is not of works; not of oneself; not of anything that man can do. But notice the change of pronouns.
YOU are saved this way--by grace through faith. That is how a person is saved.

Then AFTER a person is saved, Paul goes on to say:
WE (believers in Christ), are...created...unto good works.
That is the purpose that God has for one who has come to Christ, for that person who has trusted Christ by faith alone. The works come after salvation not before. Works are never a requirement for salvation, rather a result of salvation.

 

Romans 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another

The moral law that Spurgeon refers to is located in the above verses. It is connected with the conscience. When a man murders or commits adultery he feels guilty, and his conscience bothers him. He know he has sinned against man and an authority greater than himself even if he doesn't know who that authority is.
However, if he breaks the Sabbath there is no law broken for the Sabbath is not a moral law. He feels no guilt and his conscience does not bother him. This is true of every society the world over. I would challenge you to dispute it.

The Sabbath was made for Israel. It is the sign of a covenant between Jehovah and Israel and their generations forever.
Exodus 31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
--Those who study the Bible would know this, recognize it, and accept it.

Nevertheless there are those that reject this truth and go on playing church and pretend they are keeping the Sabbath when they are not. Job calls them hypocrites.

 

But this is not only a false statement is unbiblical and contrary to what the Bible teaches. It is also contrary to the supposed "history" you are giving. IMO you are posting a pack of lies.

The ceremonial laws, at the very least, were all nailed to the cross.
Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
--The LAW, things like circumcision, the Sabbath, etc., were blotted out, nailed to the cross, done away with, never to be practiced again as any requirement of our faith.
The saved Gentile is not an Israelite. He is part of the bride of Christ. Israel is not. Paul, in Rom. 9:1-5 and Rom.10:1-5 continues to pray for Israel. Israel still exists. The Christian does not belong to Israel, is not an extension of Israel, is not an Israelite, or any part of Israel. The promises of Ex.31 were not written to Gentile believers.

Nowhere, in all the NT is there any command to keep the Sabbath. In all the years you have been here you have never been able to show one command for a Gentile believer to keep the Sabbath. You follow a lie, not the Word.

 

Whether you are quoting others or yourself, that which your are posting is false. It is error.
For example:

No one, is justified by the Law--absolutely no one. The statement is false, error.
Furthermore, as previously demonstrated the Sabbath is not part of the moral law of God that God has written on the heart of every man. There is nothing moral or immoral about a Gentile not keeping or keeping the Sabbath, as there is no command in the NT to keep the Sabbath, and you have never given one.

 

Pal,

I have no clue of what you're talking, except, that you are not quoting me, while you claim it's me you're quoting.

In any case I am NOT, a "FAITH ALONEer"; I am not a Lutheran Roman Catholic; I am a Protestant : a Calvinist Protestant.

I do NOT believe water baptism;

I do NOT believe Sabbath "keeping" except that of The Son of Man the Son of God.

 

Yes, this <<Sabbath made for Israel>>, "The Seventh Day ... God thus concerning spake ... in times past through the prophets ... in these last days (of the Christian era) BY THE SON ... HE (the Son) having entered into HIS own Rest as GOD-(and LORD-)in-his-own ... JESUS, gave them Rest ... the Rest-Of-God", Himself. And so, God “made the Sabbath” … “for the People of God” (Christians) … “of Sabbaths’-Feast-of-Christ-the-Substance”.

 

sabbath instituted and given By God to ISREAl, and not extended unto the church under the new Covenant...

 

Its only slightly different.

Everyone is totally depraved, if not by God's grace we would not survive a minute without God's grace.

Now you Gerhard, are the only elect individual here, I'll just take your word for it.

There is nothing you can do to improve or worsen our condition. It all hangs on God's discretion to save whom he wants and damn who he wants.


So if my salvation was something you would count to your good pleasure, You couldn't not do anything to help. Neither is any advice of aid. Your support to do things "the right way" is as effective as "wrong way"

Your best bet, The only effective possible choice, Would be for you to ask God to pull us from our total depravity.



If for a minute I believed what you believed. I would provide you with the best(only) help possible. I wouldn't even have to talk to you. I would simply request God to fix you.

 

These latter are now inspired of God?? Really Bob! You can't prove your point through Scripture, through sola scriptura so you must resort to fallible men.
There is not one command in the NT that commands Gentile believers to keep the Sabbath; not one. In all the years you have been here you have never been able to demonstrate that. In fact, you don't even keep the Sabbath. You just pretend. You have not demonstrated that you actually keep the Sabbath have you?