Historicity of the change of the Sabbath Commandment vs Sola Scriptura

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

On Sunday when Jesus Resurrected, The actual rest in God was manifested, The actual rest that Sabbath only pointed to.

Lets think this through.

We should believe Jesus Christ being GOD knew his church would apostatize by changing day of worship from Saturday to Sunday. Jesus Christ who is GOD only shows up on Sundays basically after the resurrection.


Revelation 1

9I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus. 10I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like the sound of a trumpet, 11saying, “Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.”


John is worshiping on Sunday.


There was a time SDA didn't believe in the trinity.

Its quite funny. You had the original Adventists made stupid predictions end of world , didn't happen.
Popular groups that split from here are Jehovah's Witness, And Seventh day Adventist.
Sister churches.

SDA did not believe in trinity and later picked it up.
Jehovah's Witness DID believe in trinity and they dumped it.

JW and SDA believe Jesus is Michael.

SDA believe Catholics Church is ran by the Devil.
JWs believe ALL other religions is ran by the Devil.

SDA 1844 world did not end.
JW 1914 world did not end.




Heres a theological argument you should hear from SDA for not worshipping on Sunday but never mentioned

Jesus Christ has not atoned for your sins. There was NO victory at the resurrection.

It wasn't till 1844 that Jesus went to heaven. And Jesus is not the lamb that takes sins.

All your sins are being transferred to Satan who is the scapegoat.



This would be perfect grounds to ditch sunday, because it teaches there was no victory on sunday. Also your sins have not been paid for. You have no eternal rest.


All this had to be made up on the spot to "play it off" Jesus' not actually appearing on earth in 1844.

Its called "the great disappointment"


They had to be real ignorant to think end of the world was 1844.......

A lot of people left,

But for those who stayed and suckered with the new story?


Good Lord if the Catholic Church were to say the world will end tomorrow we would never hear the end of it.

But great job figuring out trinity 1931 years after we been saying.

We're not talking about 27 or 270 general fundamentals or whatever, like you try to do.

Here and now we talk about the one fundamental common to SDA and RC, the LIE <<On Sunday when Jesus Resurrected>>.

This is that lie which RC force into Revelation 1:10 and into Barnabas and Ignatius and the Teaching.

Without this lie you won't have a NKJV or Clear Word Bible in perfect agreement ---the one pure Roman Catholic, the other pure SDA.

But Utilian must find something to differ about with the SDA, that's why he has to rely on all these other SDA errors.

News for you, Utilian You and the SDA are best partners, pursuing after a common goal, the demise of the TRUE Sabbath Day the Seventh Day of the week, the day that Jesus Christ ROSE FROM THE DEAD ON.

Proof: BobRyan, <<The Victory was won when Christ died - and celebrated when Christ raised Himself from the dead on week-day-1>>

So, shake hands and hug and kiss one another. How beautiful if brothers speak from the same heart and even the same mouth : THEIR OWN!

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

SDAs teach a once-for-all completed "atoning sacrifice" on the cross just as we see in 1 John 2:2 "He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins and not for our sins only - but for the sins of the whole world" NIV

Sacrificed - once -- and no longer participating in any sacrifice

Half a truth is bigger a LIE than the full lie.

And you know it. And therefore you answer on what you know perfectly well will pass unnoticed for the truth, while it is, your, coarse LIE, SDAs teach a once-for-all completed atoning _sacrifice_, <<on the cross>>, _sacrificed_ once so you're no longer participating in _sacrifice_ actually saying Jesus did not FINISH atonement with his sacrifice, did not even START atonement with his sacrifice, did not even begin making atonement after his ascension, BUT BEGAN MAKING so called 'final atonement' or 'cleansing of the sanctuary' in 1844.

You people, the SDA, are, the most pathetic, of liars.

And still, after longer than a century, you SDA are still so naively stupid as to still, believe it, and worse, still believe you can keep on deceiving True Believers with your nonsensical and blasphemous false teachings.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Look at what your LIES have achieved so far, o Seventh-day Adventists, Look at the dear souls of so many True Believers whom YOU, with your satanic false doctrines and indoctrination, have scared away from the embrace of Christ into the killer's grip of the claws of the beast and dragon.

Judgment day is coming, not for the world, but for YOU! For you who shout Sola Scriptura, but Sola the Scriptura of Ellen G. White and SDA 'Inspiration'.

 

[DHK]

I haven't read the entire thread; only the OP and some other scattered posts. I find it odd that in this thread on the Sabbath a majority of posts are made from quotes either from EGW (The Great Controversy) or Catholic Sources. The Bible, for the most part has been ignored.
Bob in his typical fashion has also posted an evangelist, D.L. Moody, who is supposed to lend some authority to his position. Why, I don't know. Let's clear it up. Moody's childhood life was tough. The family was large and his father was an alcoholic. When Moody was saved at the age of 17, he first started attending the Mount Vernon Congregational Church, pastored by Edward Kirk in 1854.

On September 18, 1856, he went to Chicago and joined the Plymouth Congregational Church.

Then he joined the mission band of the First Methodist Church, visiting and distributing tracts at hotels and boarding houses.

He also worked out of the First Baptist Church where he was later married.

In the fall of 1858, he started his own Sunday School in an abandoned freight car.
... soon produced the largest Sunday School in Chicago, reaching some 1,500 weekly.

It was in June, 1860, that Moody decided to abandon secular employment and go into the Lord's work full time.

In 1861 Moody became a city missionary for the YMCA.

In 1872, he returned briefly to England where he accepted an invitation to the Arundel Square Congregational Church in London.

Back in Chicago, his beloved church was expanding. On June 1, 1876, and formally dedicated on July 16 with Moody preaching. It was now called the Chicago Avenue Church, and W.J. Erdman was called as pastor.
His church which was renamed Moody Church in 1901 (two years after his death)

The funeral was on December 26 with C.I. Scofield, local Congregational pastor, in charge.
http://www.believersweb.org/view.cfm?ID=82

From the time that he was saved until the time that he died, Moody was under the influence of the Congregational Church and its teaching. He was not/is not a Baptist. To use him or reference him as a Baptism is like using a Lutheran. It doesn't matter to us. He didn't hold to the same doctrine any way. Now that you know, will you please stop posting this nonsense. He was never a Baptist in the first place.

The real contention here is this:

Job 36:13 But the hypocrites in heart heap up wrath:

To claim to keep the Sabbath, whether Gentile or Jew, is hypocrisy, unless you are an actual Jew and keep the laws of the OT while doing it.
For example: Do you drive a car on the Sabbath--forbidden.
Do you use electricity--forbidden.
Do you use gas--for heating homes or for any other purpose--forbidden.

Those who simply "play church" and say they are keeping the Sabbath are simply hypocrites saying they are doing one thing but really profaning the Sabbath and not keeping it at all. If they actually lived in the OT, and said they were keeping the Sabbath, they would be stoned to death for doing what they are dong--just like the one who picked up sticks on the Sabbath Day.
Hypocrites. Nothing but hypocrites.

 

[utilyan]

I'd like to quote ancient BAPTIST sources......but Baptist didn't exist till 1600s


I think Bob is very sincere to what he's been taught.


Now Gerhard explain this common sense:

You guys swear to God there is nothing He can do, OR I can do to HELP or Hurt my chances at Salvation


So why do FAITH ALONEers whine about anything we do?


Gerhard should you be whining at GOD for not hitting the faith button, switching off our total depravity.

 

[DHK]

You guys swear to God there is nothing He can do, OR I can do to HELP or Hurt my chances at Salvation

So why do FAITH ALONEers whine about anything we do?
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The Bible doesn't contradict itself. So taking one verse out of the Book of James and then pitting it against all the rest of the Bible is ridiculous.
Notice what the Bible says here:

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

We are saved by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone.
This is the Biblical way of salvation. Paul makes it very clear here that salvation is not of works; not of oneself; not of anything that man can do. But notice the change of pronouns.
YOU are saved this way--by grace through faith. That is how a person is saved.

Then AFTER a person is saved, Paul goes on to say:
WE (believers in Christ), are...created...unto good works.
That is the purpose that God has for one who has come to Christ, for that person who has trusted Christ by faith alone. The works come after salvation not before. Works are never a requirement for salvation, rather a result of salvation.

 

[BobRyan]

From the time that he was saved until the time that he died, Moody was under the influence of the Congregational Church and its teaching. He was not/is not a Baptist. To use him or reference him as a Baptism is like using a Lutheran. It doesn't matter to us. He didn't hold to the same doctrine any way. Now that you know, will you please stop posting this nonsense. He was never a Baptist in the first place.
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I offer D.L. Moody as an example of a non-SDA and non-Catholic admitting to certain details that we DO find in the "Baptist Confession of Faith" - and as a well-known Bible teacher to a great many Baptists that you claim you would not tolerate open communion with.

But since you ask for a "more Baptist" source -- fine -- the "Baptist Confession of Faith" - it is.

Not that all Baptists would respect this Baptist source - but some will.

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Baptist Confession of Faith Section 19
Section 19:

C.H. Spurgeon's edition of the "Baptist Confession of Faith"
-- CH Spurgeon

The Perpetuity of the Law of God

Very great mistakes have been made about the law. Not long ago there were those about us who affirmed that the law is utterly abrogated and abolished, and they openly taught that believers were not bound to make the moral law the rule of their lives. What would have been sin in other men they counted to be no sin in themselves. From such Antinomianism as that may God deliver us. We are not under the law as the method of salvation, but we delight to see the law in the hand of Christ, and desire to obey the Lord in all things. Others have been met with who have taught that Jesus mitigated and softened down the law, and they have in effect said that the perfect law of God was too hard for imperfect beings, and therefore God has given us a milder and easier rule. These tread dangerously upon the verge of terrible error, although we believe that they are little aware of it.​

Section 19 of the "Baptist Confession of Faith" ​

. The Law of God ​

• God gave to Adam a law of universal obedience which was written in his heart, and He gave him very specific instruction about not eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. By this Adam and all his descendants were bound to personal, total, exact, and perpetual obedience, being promised life upon the fulfilling of the law, and threatened with death upon the breach of it. At the same time Adam was endued with power and ability to keep it.

• The same law that was first written in the heart of man continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness after the Fall, and was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai in the TEN COMMANDMENTS, and written in two tables, the first four containing our duty towards God, and the other six, our duty to man.

• Besides this law, commonly called the moral law, God was pleased do give the people of Israel ceremonial laws containing several typical ordinances. These ordinances were partly about their worship, and in them Christ was prefigured along with His attributes and qualities, His actions, His sufferings and His benefits. These ordinances also gave instructions about different moral duties. All of these ceremonial laws were appointed only until the time of reformation, when Jesus Christ the true Messiah and the only lawgiver, Who was furnished with power from the Father for this end, cancelled them and took them away. ​

• To the people of Israel He also gave sundry judicial laws which expired when they ceased to be a nation. These are not binding on anyone now by virtue of their being part of the laws of that nation, but their general equity continue to be applicable in modern times.

The moral law ever binds to obedience everyone, justified people as well as others, and not only out of regard for the matter contained in it, but also out of respect for the authority of God the Creator, Who gave the law. Nor does Christ in the Gospel dissolve this law in any way, but He considerably strengthens our obligation to obey it ​

 

[DHK]

I offer D.L. Moody as an example of a non-SDA and non-Catholic admitting to certain details that we DO find in the "Baptist Confession of Faith" - and as a well-known Bible teacher to a great many Baptists that you claim you would not tolerate open communion with.

But since you ask for a "more Baptist" source -- fine -- the "Baptist Confession of Faith" - it is.

Not that all Baptists would respect this Baptist source - but some will.

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Baptist Confession of Faith Section 19
Section 19:

C.H. Spurgeon's edition of the "Baptist Confession of Faith"
-- CH Spurgeon

The Perpetuity of the Law of God

Very great mistakes have been made about the law. Not long ago there were those about us who affirmed that the law is utterly abrogated and abolished, and they openly taught that believers were not bound to make the moral law the rule of their lives. What would have been sin in other men they counted to be no sin in themselves. From such Antinomianism as that may God deliver us. We are not under the law as the method of salvation, but we delight to see the law in the hand of Christ, and desire to obey the Lord in all things. Others have been met with who have taught that Jesus mitigated and softened down the law, and they have in effect said that the perfect law of God was too hard for imperfect beings, and therefore God has given us a milder and easier rule. These tread dangerously upon the verge of terrible error, although we believe that they are little aware of it.​

Section 19 of the "Baptist Confession of Faith" ​

. The Law of God ​

• God gave to Adam a law of universal obedience which was written in his heart, and He gave him very specific instruction about not eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. By this Adam and all his descendants were bound to personal, total, exact, and perpetual obedience, being promised life upon the fulfilling of the law, and threatened with death upon the breach of it. At the same time Adam was endued with power and ability to keep it.

• The same law that was first written in the heart of man continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness after the Fall, and was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai in the TEN COMMANDMENTS, and written in two tables, the first four containing our duty towards God, and the other six, our duty to man.

• Besides this law, commonly called the moral law, God was pleased do give the people of Israel ceremonial laws containing several typical ordinances. These ordinances were partly about their worship, and in them Christ was prefigured along with His attributes and qualities, His actions, His sufferings and His benefits. These ordinances also gave instructions about different moral duties. All of these ceremonial laws were appointed only until the time of reformation, when Jesus Christ the true Messiah and the only lawgiver, Who was furnished with power from the Father for this end, cancelled them and took them away. ​

• To the people of Israel He also gave sundry judicial laws which expired when they ceased to be a nation. These are not binding on anyone now by virtue of their being part of the laws of that nation, but their general equity continue to be applicable in modern times.

The moral law ever binds to obedience everyone, justified people as well as others, and not only out of regard for the matter contained in it, but also out of respect for the authority of God the Creator, Who gave the law. Nor does Christ in the Gospel dissolve this law in any way, but He considerably strengthens our obligation to obey it ​

Romans 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another

The moral law that Spurgeon refers to is located in the above verses. It is connected with the conscience. When a man murders or commits adultery he feels guilty, and his conscience bothers him. He know he has sinned against man and an authority greater than himself even if he doesn't know who that authority is.
However, if he breaks the Sabbath there is no law broken for the Sabbath is not a moral law. He feels no guilt and his conscience does not bother him. This is true of every society the world over. I would challenge you to dispute it.

The Sabbath was made for Israel. It is the sign of a covenant between Jehovah and Israel and their generations forever.
Exodus 31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
--Those who study the Bible would know this, recognize it, and accept it.

Nevertheless there are those that reject this truth and go on playing church and pretend they are keeping the Sabbath when they are not. Job calls them hypocrites.

 

[BobRyan]

DHK said: ↑
Romans 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another

The moral law that Spurgeon refers to is located in the above verses. It is connected with the conscience.

Certainly we can all agree that "conscience" calls us to obedience and not rebellion.

Romans 6 points that out.
Romans 8:4-9 points that out.
1 Cor 7:19 points that out.
Rev 14:12 points that out.

When a man murders or commits adultery he feels guilty, and his conscience bothers him. He know he has sinned against man and an authority greater than himself even if he doesn't know who that authority is.
However, if he breaks the Sabbath there is no law broken for the Sabbath
Not according to the Bible.
not according to Spurgeon
not according to Moody
Not according to Sproul
not according to Andy Stanley - in fact Stanley says that a form of taking God's name in vain is claiming that God told you not to keep one of the Ten Commandments.

The Sabbath was made for Israel.

The NEW Covenant is for Israel -- Jer 31:31-33, Heb 8:6-10
"The Sabbath was MADE for MANKIND" mark 2:27

Literal Jews - are part of mankind

After your statements about the need to ignore Moody because he was not Baptist we find this quote from Spurgeon on the subject of the TEN Commandment

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• God gave to Adam a law of universal obedience which was written in his heart, and He gave him very specific instruction about not eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. By this Adam and all his descendants were bound to personal, total, exact, and perpetual obedience, being promised life upon the fulfilling of the law, and threatened with death upon the breach of it. At the same time Adam was endued with power and ability to keep it.

• The same law that was first written in the heart of man continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness after the Fall, and was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai in the TEN COMMANDMENTS, and written in two tables, the first four containing our duty towards God, and the other six, our duty to man.

• Besides this law, commonly called the moral law, God was pleased do give the people of Israel ceremonial laws containing several typical ordinances. These ordinances were partly about their worship, and in them Christ was prefigured along with His attributes and qualities, His actions, His sufferings and His benefits. These ordinances also gave instructions about different moral duties. All of these ceremonial laws were appointed only until the time of reformation, ​

 

[DHK]

These ordinances also gave instructions about different moral duties. All of these ceremonial laws were appointed only until the time of reformation,

But this is not only a false statement is unbiblical and contrary to what the Bible teaches. It is also contrary to the supposed "history" you are giving. IMO you are posting a pack of lies.

The ceremonial laws, at the very least, were all nailed to the cross.
Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
--The LAW, things like circumcision, the Sabbath, etc., were blotted out, nailed to the cross, done away with, never to be practiced again as any requirement of our faith.
The saved Gentile is not an Israelite. He is part of the bride of Christ. Israel is not. Paul, in Rom. 9:1-5 and Rom.10:1-5 continues to pray for Israel. Israel still exists. The Christian does not belong to Israel, is not an extension of Israel, is not an Israelite, or any part of Israel. The promises of Ex.31 were not written to Gentile believers.

Nowhere, in all the NT is there any command to keep the Sabbath. In all the years you have been here you have never been able to show one command for a Gentile believer to keep the Sabbath. You follow a lie, not the Word.

 

[BobRyan]

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Baptist Confession of Faith Section 19
Section 19:

C.H. Spurgeon's edition of the "Baptist Confession of Faith"
-- CH Spurgeon

The Perpetuity of the Law of God

Very great mistakes have been made about the law. Not long ago there were those about us who affirmed that the law is utterly abrogated and abolished, and they openly taught that believers were not bound to make the moral law the rule of their lives. What would have been sin in other men they counted to be no sin in themselves. From such Antinomianism as that may God deliver us. We are not under the law as the method of salvation, but we delight to see the law in the hand of Christ, and desire to obey the Lord in all things. Others have been met with who have taught that Jesus mitigated and softened down the law, and they have in effect said that the perfect law of God was too hard for imperfect beings, and therefore God has given us a milder and easier rule. These tread dangerously upon the verge of terrible error, although we believe that they are little aware of it.​

Section 19 of the "Baptist Confession of Faith" ​

. The Law of God ​

• God gave to Adam a law of universal obedience which was written in his heart, and He gave him very specific instruction about not eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. By this Adam and all his descendants were bound to personal, total, exact, and perpetual obedience, being promised life upon the fulfilling of the law, and threatened with death upon the breach of it. At the same time Adam was endued with power and ability to keep it.

• The same law that was first written in the heart of man continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness after the Fall, and was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai in the TEN COMMANDMENTS, and written in two tables, the first four containing our duty towards God, and the other six, our duty to man.

• Besides this law, commonly called the moral law, God was pleased do give the people of Israel ceremonial laws containing several typical ordinances. These ordinances were partly about their worship, and in them Christ was prefigured along with His attributes and qualities, His actions, His sufferings and His benefits. These ordinances also gave instructions about different moral duties. All of these ceremonial laws were appointed only until the time of reformation, when Jesus Christ the true Messiah and the only lawgiver, Who was furnished with power from the Father for this end, cancelled them and took them away. ​

I am not Baptist but at least I can admit to a few places where they get something right - as in the example above.

But this is not only a false statement is unbiblical and contrary to what the Bible teaches. It is also contrary to the supposed "history" you are giving. IMO you are posting a pack of lies.

This "all-name-calling all-the-time" defense is more thread-bare and worn than you may have at first imagined.

The ceremonial laws, at the very least, were all nailed to the cross.

Spurgeon's statement above does claim the ceremonial laws have ended at the cross.

--The LAW, things like circumcision, the Sabbath, etc., were blotted out, nailed to the cross

No text says the weekly Sabbath was nailed to the cross.

Rather the Bible says "the Sabbath was MADE for MANKIND" Mark 2:27
The Bible says "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall All MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23
The Bible says "There REMAINS therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God" Heb 4
The Bible says "WORSHIP Him who MADE the heavens and the earth the seas and the springs of water" Rev 14:12.
The Bible says the 5th Commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2 in that still-valid unit of TEN

 

[DHK]

Whether you are quoting others or yourself, that which your are posting is false. It is error.
For example:

The moral law ever binds to obedience everyone, justified people as well as others, and not only out of regard for the matter contained in it, but also out of respect for the authority of God the Creator, Who gave the law.

No one, is justified by the Law--absolutely no one. The statement is false, error.
Furthermore, as previously demonstrated the Sabbath is not part of the moral law of God that God has written on the heart of every man. There is nothing moral or immoral about a Gentile not keeping or keeping the Sabbath, as there is no command in the NT to keep the Sabbath, and you have never given one.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Pal,

I'd like to quote ancient BAPTIST sources......but Baptist didn't exist till 1600s


I think Bob is very sincere to what he's been taught.


Now Gerhard explain this common sense:

You guys swear to God there is nothing He can do, OR I can do to HELP or Hurt my chances at Salvation


So why do FAITH ALONEers whine about anything we do?


Gerhard should you be whining at GOD for not hitting the faith button, switching off our total depravity.

I have no clue of what you're talking, except, that you are not quoting me, while you claim it's me you're quoting.

In any case I am NOT, a "FAITH ALONEer"; I am not a Lutheran Roman Catholic; I am a Protestant : a Calvinist Protestant.

I do NOT believe water baptism;

I do NOT believe Sabbath "keeping" except that of The Son of Man the Son of God.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

The Sabbath was made for Israel. It is the sign of a covenant between Jehovah and Israel and their generations forever.

Yes, this <<Sabbath made for Israel>>, "The Seventh Day ... God thus concerning spake ... in times past through the prophets ... in these last days (of the Christian era) BY THE SON ... HE (the Son) having entered into HIS own Rest as GOD-(and LORD-)in-his-own ... JESUS, gave them Rest ... the Rest-Of-God", Himself. And so, God “made the Sabbath” … “for the People of God” (Christians) … “of Sabbaths’-Feast-of-Christ-the-Substance”.

 

[Yeshua1]

Sounds like a good topic.

so here is the thread I started for your post -- I have included your full post on this first page of the thread -- see next post.

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Let's start with the "sola scriptura" case for Sunday vs the Bible Sabbath.


1. There is not one NT or OT text saying "week day 1 is the Holy Day of the LORD" but we DO have that for Sabbath in Is 58:13. (AND we do not have ONE text in the NT or OT that says "week day 1 is the LORD's Day)

2. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT that says that "they met EVERY week-day-1 for gospel teaching" for both Jews AND gentiles but we DO have that for Sabbath in Acts 18:4-6.

3. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT that says "they met week-day-1 after week-day-1 " for anything - but we DO have that in Acts 13 and Acts 17 regarding Sabbath for both Jews AND Gentiles.

4. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT saying "from week day 1 to week day 1 shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" - but we DO have that in Is 66:23 for the Sabbath.

5. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT saying "the Son of man is LORD of week day 1" but we DO have that in the NT for the Sabbath in Mark 2:28.

6. There is not ONE text in the NT saying "there REMAINS therefore a week-day 1 rest for the people of God" but we DO have that for Sabbath in Heb 4.

7. There is not ONE text in NT or OT saying "remember week-day-1 to keep it holy" but we DO have that in Ex 20:8 for the Sabbath.

8. There is NOT ONE text in NT or OT saying it is ok by God if we bend/edit/break/ignore one of the TEN Commandments - but we DO have condemnation for doing such a thing in the NT -- by the Words of Christ Himself! Mark 7:6-13


Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

That is a case of Christ demonstrating the way that the magisterium is hammered "sola scriptura" in the cases where it's traditions and "doctrines of men" are at odds with scripture.

sabbath instituted and given By God to ISREAl, and not extended unto the church under the new Covenant...

 

[utilyan]

Pal,


I have no clue of what you're talking, except, that you are not quoting me, while you claim it's me you're quoting.

In any case I am NOT, a "FAITH ALONEer"; I am not a Lutheran Roman Catholic; I am a Protestant : a Calvinist Protestant.

I do NOT believe water baptism;

I do NOT believe Sabbath "keeping" except that of The Son of Man the Son of God.

Its only slightly different.

Everyone is totally depraved, if not by God's grace we would not survive a minute without God's grace.

Now you Gerhard, are the only elect individual here, I'll just take your word for it.

There is nothing you can do to improve or worsen our condition. It all hangs on God's discretion to save whom he wants and damn who he wants.


So if my salvation was something you would count to your good pleasure, You couldn't not do anything to help. Neither is any advice of aid. Your support to do things "the right way" is as effective as "wrong way"

Your best bet, The only effective possible choice, Would be for you to ask God to pull us from our total depravity.



If for a minute I believed what you believed. I would provide you with the best(only) help possible. I wouldn't even have to talk to you. I would simply request God to fix you.

 

[BobRyan]

Its only slightly different.

Everyone is totally depraved, if not by God's grace we would not survive a minute without God's grace.

Now you Gerhard, are the only elect individual here, I'll just take your word for it.

There is nothing you can do to improve or worsen our condition. It all hangs on God's discretion to save whom he wants and damn who he wants.

So if my salvation was something you would count to your good pleasure, You couldn't not do anything to help. Neither is any advice of aid. Your support to do things "the right way" is as effective as "wrong way"

Your best bet, The only effective possible choice, Would be for you to ask God to pull us from our total depravity.

If for a minute I believed what you believed. I would provide you with the best(only) help possible. I wouldn't even have to talk to you. I would simply request God to fix you.

You make good points on the subject of election and OSAS - but that is not the topic.

 

[BobRyan]

Sabbath instituted and given By God to ISREAl, and not extended unto the church under the new Covenant...

Also the New Covenant made with "House of Israel and the house of Judah" Heb 8:6-10. Were we simply "not supposed to notice"??

Also true of the TEN Commandments.

All affirmed by C.H. Spurgeon... the "Baptist Confession of Faith" ... the "Westminster Confession of Faith" -- Is 66:23... Mark 2:27... Eph 6:2...James 2... Rom 3:31... 1 Cor 7:19.... Rev 14:12 ...

 

[DHK]

Also the New Covenant made with "House of Israel and the house of Judah" Heb 8:6-10. Were we simply "not supposed to notice"??

Also true of the TEN Commandments.

All affirmed by C.H. Spurgeon... the "Baptist Confession of Faith" ... the "Westminster Confession of Faith" -- ..

These latter are now inspired of God?? Really Bob! You can't prove your point through Scripture, through sola scriptura so you must resort to fallible men.
There is not one command in the NT that commands Gentile believers to keep the Sabbath; not one. In all the years you have been here you have never been able to demonstrate that. In fact, you don't even keep the Sabbath. You just pretend. You have not demonstrated that you actually keep the Sabbath have you?

 

[BobRyan]

Also the New Covenant made with "House of Israel and the house of Judah" Heb 8:6-10. Were we simply "not supposed to notice"??

Also true of the TEN Commandments.

All affirmed by C.H. Spurgeon... the "Baptist Confession of Faith" ... the "Westminster Confession of Faith" -- Is 66:23... Mark 2:27... Eph 6:2...James 2... Rom 3:31... 1 Cor 7:19.... Rev 14:12 ...

When I say --

All affirmed by C.H. Spurgeon... the "Baptist Confession of Faith" ... the "Westminster Confession of Faith" -- Is 66:23... Mark 2:27... Eph 6:2...James 2... Rom 3:31... 1 Cor 7:19.... Rev 14:12 ..

You ask about?? Rev 14:12?? or 1 Cor 7:19?? or is it all the latter references?
-- Is 66:23... Mark 2:27... Eph 6:2...James 2... Rom 3:31... 1 Cor 7:19.... Rev 14:12 ..

These latter are now inspired of God?? Really Bob!

I find your logic "illusive" at that point

You can't prove your point through Scripture

So ok - if those latter references are "not scripture" -- what would you "prefer" to call them?

There is not one command in the NT that commands Gentile believers to keep the Sabbath

Except Heb 4 "There REMAINS therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God"

Since they are preaching the gospel to gentiles "EVERY SABBATH" in Acts 18:4.

Might want to take a minute and read Rom 3:31 and 1 Cor 7:19 and Rev 14:12 and ...

Oh no wait you meant "There is not one quote of the command not to take God's name in vain in the NT".

You must have mistyped.