Featured The connection between: Loving Jesus—Obedience—Eternal Life

How often have you lost your salvation? How often do you think about losing your salvation?

Let's clear some things up.

A. Salvation is of the Lord...it's a Position Before God, not an inanimate object like car keys

B. Eternal Life is ONLY in Christ, once again, not an inanimate object like car keys

 

Right, so you really never answered my questions or addressed my statements.

How often have you lost your salvation? How often do you think about losing your salvation?

And i agree, Faith must Continue until we die...but lets see what the scriptures teach...

20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

what say ye?

 

The last time I looked, Hebrews 13:5 was in the New Testament.

The writer to the Hebrews applies this promise to all true Christians (note the qualifier).

I am very happy to give an answer. If your interpretation of Hebrews 13:5 is that God may very well leave or forsake His own people then you are teaching that the Holy Spirit is totally ineffective.

Your aversion to the O.T. is noted. As I have explained, the writer to the Hebrews applies it to all his readers (ie. us).

I think you'll find it does. 1 John 3:9 (which I pointed out to you in a previous thread and you ignored). 'Whoever has been born of God does not [continually] sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot [continually] sin because he has been born of God.' As explained before, the Present Tense in Greek denotes continuity. The text cannot mean sinless perfection because of 1 John 1:8-10. You may add to this Hebrews 10:16 which was also mentioned earlier and ignored by you.
3) Perhaps, He does promise this to His elect (chosen ones)
who were chosen before the foundation of the world. [/QUOTE]
That is exactly whom He does promise this to. They are called Christians.

Tough for you, but clear to everyone else.

OK, let's go with one of these, which again I quoted earlier and you blithely ignored.
Matthew 7:21-23. I can't be bothered to write it out for you again. Look it up! To those who say, "Lord, Lord!" but do not obey His commands (cf. Luke 6:46), our Lord will say, I never knew you!" Not, "I knew you once and then forgot about you." Carnal Christians, those who declare themselves to have 'accepted Christ' (yuk!) but have never repented of their sins are not Christians at all. But those who have their eyes opened by the Spirit to see themselves as lost sinners, who turn away from their sins and put their trust solely in Christ and in His finished work on the cross are His and His forever. Such a person's sins are forgiven, not just in the past, but in the future as well (1 John 1:9).

Sheesh! You can't even quote the Scriptures correctly! John 14:23. "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word, and My Father will love him, and We will come and make our home with him." The whole thing is predicated on love. If anyone loves Christ, it is because God has loved him first (1 John 4:19). Once we understand what God has done for us in Christ, how can we not love Him? How can we not long to serve and obey Him? And if God loves us enough to send the Lord Jesus to suffer and die for us, how will He possibly abandon us? 'he who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things?' (Romans 8:32).

Once again, you speak about a verse, but don't say which one it is. I suppose that you mean Hebrews 3:18-19, which is two verses. There is no problem. If someone is consistently disobeying God's commandments, it is a sign that he has not truly repented and trusted in Christ. He was never a Christian.

 

Paul stated to us that RIGHT NOW we have eternal life in us, as did John...
Hebrews nd Jude stated that life cannot evr be lost again.
Jesus confirmed that NONE his will ever be lost!
Your are teaching another/false Gospel!

 

Jesus was talking about those he never knew, were always lot/unsaved.. They failed to do the will of God, to believe unto Jesus for salvation!. Is that clear enough for you?

 

Samuel is a Charasmatic, so he MUST be gettngthis "new spiritual truth" from somewhere other than the Bible, and its not from the Holy Spirit!

 

Who gvae your this so called spiritual truth, for its not from the Bible nor the Holy Spirit!

 

I included verse 21 in my citation, you half-wit! Why can you not deal with the text? "I never knew you!" There is no question of Christ abandoning His own people whom He has loved from the foundation of the world (Jeremiah 31:3; Matthew 25:34).

I don't hate you; I merely find you exasperating. And you don't tell the truth. Unfortunately you are not prepared to engage in discussion, only to trot out your wretched Pelagianism.

 

The prophet was speaking towards those under the New Covenant, who would have the Spirit and the Law in their hearts now!

Both spiritual Israel and the Church!